Comments on: On Idries Shah http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/ Debriefing the Gurdjieff work Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Atiya http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/comment-page-1/#comment-37048 Atiya Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:04:25 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=129#comment-37048 No, Islam DOES NOT justify stealing from non-Muslim. Where did you get this from? Please research your accusations before quoting them like this. No, Islam DOES NOT justify stealing from non-Muslim. Where did you get this from? Please research your accusations before quoting them like this.

]]> By: Servando Sanchez http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/comment-page-1/#comment-36897 Servando Sanchez Mon, 07 Feb 2011 03:48:55 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=129#comment-36897 This is an example that How a person very inteligent (Idries Shah) used it to duped a good man like John G. Bennet to steal a property of a good heart man. Since the view of western values this is a steal a fraud. The Koran Justified this behavior from muslim to another no muslim, but Torah or Biblie do not. We are talking about two difference civilitations. The books of Shah are very pretty in words, but not in escence. The ultimed word is the facts of the man, and only the fact from one to the other. In the facts we expresse the divine will. This is an example that How a person very inteligent (Idries Shah) used it to duped a good man like John G. Bennet to steal a property of a good heart man. Since the view of western values this is a steal a fraud. The Koran Justified this behavior from muslim to another no muslim, but Torah or Biblie do not. We are talking about two difference civilitations. The books of Shah are very pretty in words, but not in escence. The ultimed word is the facts of the man, and only the fact from one to the other. In the facts we expresse the divine will.

]]> By: The Gurdjieff Con » Old post on Idries Shah http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/comment-page-1/#comment-35584 The Gurdjieff Con » Old post on Idries Shah Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:18:46 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=129#comment-35584 [...] Idries Shah post from last year [...] [...] Idries Shah post from last year [...]

]]> By: mybrainisafleamarket http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/comment-page-1/#comment-893 mybrainisafleamarket Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:26:07 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=129#comment-893 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/ * On page 14 of his book The Sufis, Shah provides the only citation for his controversial claim that “it is authoritatively on record” that Sufi predates Muhammad, Islam and the Qur’an: the Kitab el-Luma. Although Shah does not reveal the full title or author, almost certainly he is referring to the oldest and most definitive written work on Sufi, the Kitab al-luma‘ fi ’l-tasawwuf (The Book of Lights; The Quintessence of Sufism), written by Abu Nasr al-Sarraj al-Tusi (?-988 or 989 A.D.), which in fact traces Sufi exclusively to Muhammad, Islam and the Qur’an. and * Shah generally dealt with the frequent problem of being caught in a fib by stating his First Rule of Esoteric Systems: “Misleading information is included in order to divert unsuitable people. This is a ‘filter’. It includes behavior on the part of the esotericists designed to annoy or otherwise deflect the unsuitable.” MBFM comments: I met a delightful person whom I hoped would become a friend. Buto one evening, this lady, a professed Sufi, proceeded to state the same argument as the one attributed to Shah: that false teachers serve a purpose by ensnaring foolish people. Anyone who can be led astray by a false teacher is not ready to study with a true teacher anyway. I didn’t bother to argue with her. This courteous callousness chilled me to the bone. She wanted to see me again but I deflected her attentions and stayed away. http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/08/31/on-idries-shah/

* On page 14 of his book The Sufis, Shah provides the only citation for his controversial claim that “it is authoritatively on record” that Sufi predates Muhammad, Islam and the Qur’an: the Kitab el-Luma. Although Shah does not reveal the full title or author, almost certainly he is referring to the oldest and most definitive written work on Sufi, the Kitab al-luma‘ fi ’l-tasawwuf (The Book of Lights; The Quintessence of Sufism), written by Abu Nasr al-Sarraj al-Tusi (?-988 or 989 A.D.), which in fact traces Sufi exclusively to Muhammad, Islam and the Qur’an.
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* Shah generally dealt with the frequent problem of being caught in a fib by stating his First Rule of Esoteric Systems: “Misleading information is included in order to divert unsuitable people. This is a ‘filter’. It includes behavior on the part of the esotericists designed to annoy or otherwise deflect the unsuitable.”
MBFM comments: I met a delightful person whom I hoped would become a friend. Buto one evening, this lady, a professed Sufi, proceeded to state the same argument as the one attributed to Shah: that false teachers serve a purpose by ensnaring foolish people. Anyone who can be led astray by a false teacher is not ready to study with a true teacher anyway.

I didn’t bother to argue with her. This courteous callousness chilled me to the bone. She wanted to see me again but I deflected her attentions and stayed away.

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