Comments on: Man, evolution, and magic http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/ Debriefing the Gurdjieff work Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Gurdjieff Con » Behaviorist ‘debunking’ of shamanism?? http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35151 The Gurdjieff Con » Behaviorist ‘debunking’ of shamanism?? Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:22:32 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=760#comment-35151 [...] Comment on Man, Evolution, and Magic Antoine said, 31.07.09 at 4:59 am · “Again, this is obvious nonsense. It is totally impossible to picture the origin of magic except through some deliberate action of a man who knew what he was doing and why. This does not mean that we are forced ~o believe in magic-it may all be infantile superstition-but the point IS that no Neanderthal man, or any other man, could have stumbled on the idea unaided.” [...] [...] Comment on Man, Evolution, and Magic Antoine said, 31.07.09 at 4:59 am · “Again, this is obvious nonsense. It is totally impossible to picture the origin of magic except through some deliberate action of a man who knew what he was doing and why. This does not mean that we are forced ~o believe in magic-it may all be infantile superstition-but the point IS that no Neanderthal man, or any other man, could have stumbled on the idea unaided.” [...]

]]> By: The Gurdjieff Con » Note on Carrington http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35150 The Gurdjieff Con » Note on Carrington Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:17:51 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=760#comment-35150 [...] http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35148 James said, 30.07.09 at 6:04 pm · “We do not wish to belittle the admirable achievement of Mr. Carrington in giving an account of man’s arising and development in a single volume. ” [...] [...] http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35148 James said, 30.07.09 at 6:04 pm · “We do not wish to belittle the admirable achievement of Mr. Carrington in giving an account of man’s arising and development in a single volume. ” [...]

]]> By: Antoine http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35149 Antoine Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:59:50 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=760#comment-35149 "Again, this is obvious nonsense. It is totally impossible to picture the origin of magic except through some deliberate action of a man who knew what he was doing and why. This does not mean that we are forced ~o believe in magic-it may all be infantile superstition-but the point IS that no Neanderthal man, or any other man, could have stumbled on the idea unaided." A pigeon can do it for water (see "superstitious pigeon" experiment). We look for patterns in chaos then we adapt our behaviors to our understanding. A hunter is surrounded by stimuli and understanding patterns is a vital aspect for survival. Noticing too much patterns is less costly than noticing too less, and there you have your shaman. “Again, this is obvious nonsense. It is totally impossible to picture the origin of magic except through some deliberate action of a man who knew what he was doing and why. This does not mean that we are forced ~o believe in magic-it may all be infantile superstition-but the point IS that no Neanderthal man, or any other man, could have stumbled on the idea unaided.”

A pigeon can do it for water (see “superstitious pigeon” experiment).
We look for patterns in chaos then we adapt our behaviors to our understanding.
A hunter is surrounded by stimuli and understanding patterns is a vital aspect for survival. Noticing too much patterns is less costly than noticing too less, and there you have your shaman.

]]> By: James http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2009/07/30/man-evolution-and-magic/comment-page-1/#comment-35148 James Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:04:19 +0000 http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?p=760#comment-35148 "We do not wish to belittle the admirable achievement of Mr. Carrington in giving an account of man’s arising and development in a single volume. " Hereward Carrington? His accounts of the Palladino seances are strong evidence for something which the establishment chooses to ignore: http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Influence-Stephen-E-Braude/dp/0761806245 “We do not wish to belittle the admirable achievement of Mr. Carrington in giving an account of man’s arising and development in a single volume. ”

Hereward Carrington? His accounts of the Palladino seances are strong evidence for something which the establishment chooses to ignore:

http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Influence-Stephen-E-Braude/dp/0761806245

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