07.12.09
Spiritual Cannibalism
Comment on Lozowick and…E.J.Gold
mybrainisafleamarket said,
07.12.09 at 10:34 am ·
Spiritual Cannibalism.
Now that we have your undivided attention, here is some more material.
It appears there was a connection between Rudrananada (’Rudi’) and some Gurdjieff type teachers, among them Jan Cox.First, I apologise for the earlier redundant posts. Sometimes when I submit a comment, it fails to give feedback, so I fear its been lost and I repeat the submit process, like a rat in a Skinner Box repeatedly pressing the bar, trying to get another chow pellet.
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:9lO0yJN_LlQJ:http://gurdjieff.tribe.net/thread/be06e714-a92d-4e45-ac89-3310f31370bd+ej+gold+i+am+large,+I+contain+multitudes&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&strip=1
If you want a description of Rudi, get and read Rabbi Alan Lew’s memoir ‘One God Clapping’. Alan Lew’s brother became a Rudi disciple and later, a disciple of Rudis successor.
Rudi died in a plane crash. Afterward, under murky circumstances, a fellow named, I think, Shoemaker, took over and also took the name Chetananda and there have been some troubles. Lew described how Rudi could make people shake and shiver and quiver. Saw it happening to his brother and other persons.
A few quotes:
“Re: Jan Cox
Thu, November 30, 2006 – 12:07 AM
I didn’t know Rudi, but spent time with Muktananda when he was putting together his Ashram in Berkeley. The man was a dynamo and very funny. As it turned out I was in Atlanta with one of his swamis on the day Muktananda died. I’m aware of the significance they placed on Lineage, though I personally found it unimportant. One of my closest friends is still involved with that group – and she stresses (at least for herself) the power and importance of Lineage and Shaktipat, and her experiences have provided her with strength. Though, this has not been my way.join to post
Unsu…
Re: Jan Cox
Thu, November 30, 2006 – 4:41 AM
Rudi was a formal student of Muktananda at one time. He wrote a book “Spiritual Cannibalism”. A book about him tells the story best “Rudi : 14 Years with my Master”. I forget the author’s name. Rudi and Muktananda broke company when Muktananda “stole” a devotee from Rudi when he was not ready, and it was not proper in the Lineage to do so. That pupil was one Bubba Free John, before his Adi Da insanity. ”“Trickster Teachers
Fri, June 22, 2007 – 9:01 AM
I read this thread with great glee and fascination! Wonderful stuff!I was introduced to Jan and his videos in L.A. Apparently, if you’re not in Georgia to work with the man, the out-of-state Group will meet twice weekly to watch his freshest videos. They are required not to talk with each other regarding what they saw, but keep the material instead as contemplation work.
The fellow who hosted these video sessions was a complete idiot, I have to say. He fancied himself a ’spiritual teacher’ and yet had a screamingly obvious ego the size of perhaps, New Jersey. Yet, I found Jan himself to be, at the very least, a creative genius, if not a truly transformational force. I read a few of his books, and also got hold of some “secret” material, apparently, that was cheaply xeroxed at the time. These were the distillation of “what Jan meant” as culled by his students. I found the maps to be nothing short of remarkable and even experienced an immense vision as the result of contemplating those maps.
Yet, Jan the man, I find suspicious.
I think part of the problem in interpreting a teacher, is the moral problem. If the result of his work hurts a person–or a few persons–he can easily create reactionary moral outrage. I agree with Scott’s statement above that Jan helped to refine what is already crystallized Gurdjieff material. E.J. Gold did a similar thing.
But notice…
What Jan and E.J. Gold have in common is that they are tricksters and scalawags in their approach to teaching. Note also that Gurdjieff himself was a trickster and scalawag. That got me to thinking: it seems that I can make a list of people who teach in connection with what is called “The Fourth Way” (my own teacher, Oscar Ichazo, who was vehemently anti-Gurdjieffian, nonetheless STILL got thrown into the Fourth Way bag because he elucidated the laws of the Enneagram like no other!. He claims, however, not to have gotten the Enneagram transmission from anything closely approaching a Fourth Way School.) Nonetheless, Ichazo, too, was a trickster and scalawag.
There seems to be a trend and a pattern here. Fourth Way teachers, some of whom I have had enough contact with to detect this pattern, seem to employ “mind-fucking” as their modus operandus. The problem I’ve seen with this is that, with wrongly applied mind-fucking to the wrong person, permanent mental damage can ensue. I have met and spoken with such types. And here is where the outrage comes from “unsubscribed” and people like him/her. I wouldn’t be halfway surprised if Jan mind-fucked one too many people, much as I respect his brilliance and vision. I can’t help but think that there are quite a few examples of people who walked away in outrage from many, many so-called Fourth Way teachers. In fact, I eventually got myself away from anything vaguely resembling The Fourth Way because of that.
I may be wrong, but didn’t Ouspenski himself say on his deathbed “don’t follow Gurdjieff, he’s a madman!” or am I paraphrasing incorrectly? Gurdjieff, I’m sure, also left a trail behind him of angry, embittered or insane people in his wake. My feeling and sense is that Fourth Way teaching is a launch pad, but then one has the responsibility to plot one’s own trajectory once take-off has been initiated. ”
“Then again, I really like E.J. Gold and he is really despised in some “fourth way” circles for engaging in the behaviors I just mentioned. I make no claim for consistancy here. As Walt Whitman wrote “I contradict myself? I am large, I contain multitudes”.
A good warning on the hazards of using shock tactics:
“Re: Trickster Teachers
Sun, June 24, 2007 – 9:51 AM
A true Teacher manifests Heart. As Meher Baba once said, “the Heart of the real teacher is at once like butter and at once like a knife.” (Or something to that effect.) I’ve become aware of the “shock” techniques many teachers employ. Such techniques have been mentioned by Idries Shah, proponent and definer of Sufi activity in the West. These shocks can appear on the surface as insulting, outrageous behavior (i.e. Gurdjieff’s famed “Idiot Toasts”, which I find to be hilarious.) The result of the technique can be like a splash of cold water in the face of the lower ego, which, notwithstanding the sense of being insulted, can clearly outline the shape of the ego for the practitioner to openly see the truth of his own illusory self. However, if the practitioner is not ready to handle such information, any number of reactionary behaviors can manifest. I know that somewhere in Buenos Aires there are, according to lore, a few people wandering around who have lost their marbles due Oscar Ichazo’s initial experimental Work.“I suppose the point I’m making here is that the teacher has a grave responsibility when employing such techniques and unequivocally needs to have the sensitivity of heart to use such with kid gloves, in accordance with the temperament of the student. ”
The scene we worry about is the one in which there is an ideology that declares the teacher totally free from all such responsibility, free to torture and abuse, and puts all onus onto the student. Thats a rationalization for torture all tarted up with ‘crazy wisdom’ bullshit.
Finally, one person’s description of a deceased teacher, Jan Cox.
“Re: Jan Cox
Wed, November 29, 2006 – 2:11 AM
GI:I met up with Jan in the late ’70s. He ran around in a jogging outfit and red tennis shoes. When I first saw him he was buffed out and drove around in an old 914. He fit just fine in his ‘”Waffle House” environment, which to him could have been a four star, and if you had the opportunity to meet him, other than getting a hint of an outgoing personality of a fairly bright fellow, you’d probably peg him as a plumber or a roofer. This is despite the fact he was born into a wealthy publishing family. He lived in a sprawling single level ranch style house, built from cinder block if I remember correctly, and had this funny little taffy-colored terrier he was always playing around with – he loved that dog. At the center of his house was this huge carpeted room lined with records, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of them. It was my understanding that he had one of the world’s largest collections of early rock and blues. Beer continued to pour in and the music, most of which I had never heard the likes of, filled the room and people danced themselves silly. The man knew how to party.
Jan traveled around by car and plane to spread whatever it was that he was spreading. He looked goofy, dressed goofy and laughed and talked a lot, though there was certainly another side of him, and if he turned his eye on you he could charge you up or simply melt you. He understood what made people tick, and he knew how to light a fire under them, get that psychojuice flowing through their veins. He’d turn business people into rock stars and doctors into bricklayers and clerks into writers. He had a knack to find the last possible activity you could ever see yourself doing, and I mean the LAST, and get you to do it and get you to do it well. He demanded an hour of exercise per day from everyone who hung around him, and had them meditating and stretching themselves into knots and staying up all night again and again and partying at the beach. He had attorneys begging with dark glasses and tin cups on shady street corners and he’d put chocolate sauce on your green beans. And people had a pretty darned good time. He was good at finding weaknesses and transforming them into strengths. This was tough for some and they bounced themselves out, sometimes pretty hard.
At some point he started showing up with bandages around his neck and then he started losing weight. He kept on going as long as he possibly could. Books that went out were put together by students who might have been waitresses or lab techs. He joked about these works frequently, and since he was connected with the publishing industry, I assume he got them printed for nothing – they were his bookmarks, his advertising tools. His serious material was held close.
So, other than a book title, which I’m not even sure was his idea – I really don’t think what he did, “This Thing” as he called it, bore any resemblance to typically what would be thought of as a “Fourth Way” group or “The Work”. I’m sure he was familiar with G’s ideas but he mentioned them rarely, no more than he would have mentioned the name of Buddha or Jesus. And I have a fairly good idea of what “The Work” is from a Gurdjieffian point of view, since I worked for many years with several 4th Way Teachers and taught myself here in the US and abroad. Jan did his own thing. I spent time with Pentlam and several of Gurdjieff’s and Ouspensky’s students, which were themselves teachers, and believe me, they would have no part of much of what Jan did, and Jan would have no part of what they did. The concept of what the Work is varies dramatically between teachers as it does students. Jan held regular meetings where he spoke and answered questions, but what was discussed and how it was discussed bore no resemblance to any typical 4th Way type meeting that I had ever experienced.
As far as my thoughts on Gurdjieff – well, I never knew the man, though as I mentioned above – I did know several of his students and spent a fair amount of time with them. At that time in my life, my younger years, I was simply blown away by what I was learning, and for many years my life revolved around the Work. At some point I felt that my connection with formal groups was counterproductive, that it was time for me to become the Work, so that is what I did – and that too became counterproductive and another avenue appeared. When G died, his work died. There is no real Gurdjieff school other than his. All Gurdjieff teachers are imitators. Contrary to popular belief, there is no passing the torch. Real teachers come out of nowhere, burn their mark and go away.
You mention Fellowship of Friends as not being a real school. I knew Burton and a number of his people. They are as real or unreal as any other group. I’ve never met a teacher who didn’t have weaknesses, nor have I met a student without weaknesses. The only thing real about any school is its ability to afford students the possibility to make connections FOR THEMSELVES. There is nothing that a teacher can give to a student. There is no Shaktipat, no tapping on the forehead and bringing forth consciousness. There is no such thing as lineage. Ultimately, there is only the essence of the moment, which is fleeting for all students and teachers alike, despite how they might want you to otherwise believe. Average levels and degrees of penetrating the moment may vary with health, genetics and level of dedication. Humans were simply not designed to remain in the moment. What we are talking about is delusion propagated by schools – teachers, students and their associated literature – belief, not reality. Now this doesn’t mean you can’t try to do the impossible; it’s the trying that’s the fun part. Just so you don’t get too shaken up when you see how pathetic your attempts are. These thoughts, of course, are contrary to what most groups or schools or whatever they call themselves want you to believe.
I read the books of Nicoll and Bennett over 3 decades ago. I can most assuredly say that I was mesmerized when I read them. I can also assuredly say that I don’t now remember a single thought from them. I just glanced at the few remaining rows of work books in my bookcase, the ones I haven’t given away over the years, and other than “The Psychology” by Ouspensky, there’s not a single one I wouldn’t be willing to part with. And I couldn’t even locate that title. Rather than reading any of this material I’d rather go out and see the latest action movie.
And Rudra, if you haven’t burned up in the atmosphere and you’re still out there listening – lighten up a little – get a massage or something.
Regards,
C
”Read the whole thing. But, here are a few choice tidbits.
nemo said,
07.12.09 at 2:20 pm
The name was of Jan Cox was familiar, and then I realized he was the one who wrote, Dialogs of Gurdjieff, and that other one about the foothills of Georgia???
I think I must have read them standing up without paying in a New Age bookstore somewhere.
That was a long time ago.
The thread cited by MBFM raises the hope that the Gurdjieff chewing gum will get chewed out, and everyone will look back and laugh at the stupidity of Gurdjieffianity.
mybrainisafleamarket said,
07.12.09 at 3:27 pm
Two others are on the ‘beware/proceed at own risk’ list:
Carlos Castaneda and Idries Shah.
Regarding Idries Shah, there is new and highly valuable material concerning the alleged Fishan Khan MS of Omar Khayyam’s Rubaiyat supposedly older than the one used by Fitzegerald.
The fracas apparently did great harm to Robert Graves’ reputation.
Dont go by me. One can read the relevant chapter in superb book,
‘A Book of Verse: The Biography of Omar Khayyam by Gary Garrard.
Among the vast range of material uncovered by Garrad, he refers to a long journey to Paghman, Afghanistan by a journalist who interviewed the current head of the clan from whom Idries Shah claimed descent and whose illustrious scion, Jan Fishan Khan, according to Idries had owned the MS of the Rabaii.
The head of the clan had never heard of Omar Khayam.
Get and read this whole book. Among other things, Garrad contends that Omar K was not himself a Sufi, but a rationalist and skeptic, far more renowned for his mathematics than his poetry. Garrard tells us that Sufis such as Attar even cited Omar K as a person whose stance was an obstacle to mystical attainment…cough.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=a+book+of+verse+garrard&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
mybrainisafleamarket said,
07.12.09 at 3:42 pm
Note: The first edition of Spiritual Cannibalism was published in 1973 by Link publishing.
Rudi died in a plane crash in February, 1973. I do not yet know whether he had already sent the MS off to the publisher, or whether his later successor, Chetananda, exerted any sort of control over its contents.
There are a succession of editions of this book, each one longer with photographs. Researchers will need to obtain all of them, by purchase or inter library loan, to compare and contrast contents and see if any important modifications were made.
mybrainisafleamarket said,
07.12.09 at 3:44 pm
An article on Rudi here, on a Muktananda expose site. It appears you can also download Spiritual Cannibalism if you wish to read it. All hail the Internet!
http://www.leavingsiddhayoga.net/rudrananda.htm
The Gurdjieff Con » Castaneda and Idries Shah said,
07.12.09 at 8:43 pm
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Adrian said,
10.10.10 at 8:55 am
Hello
Can you write me
Adrian said,
10.10.10 at 10:42 am
Hello
Dear Sir,I must speak in Sapanish,but is possible that you dont undertandme,.You know that Idries Sha stay in Argentine in the second war,about 36 when the war comming.And make a secret place in Santiago del Estero,is a copy of afghans places that G describes in his book.Idries Practice the cannibalism secret to eat all America and expanded to europe.First descended in Mexico ,Viva Mexico is a film that you must know to look the seeds of this group of afghans in the christians body,them Argentinne.His obscure clan of Pagmans have this costumme.The concept that all is eat in the universe is an error,is only for your galaxy spiral.You can look marco santello book,are the same contact.Idries Sha was continuosly by Alfredo Offidanni and his work with this galaxy was with Joseph di mambro and know with life quality priject,a confabulation.Iwas entreined to willa Pole of these group,They was eat all america and stay in contact with the energy of the commet Ercogulus,that the real name is Sat -Anas.Belcebu for these friend..Arthur c clark was his disciople,The end of infancy…..G,WAS ARREPENTED IN HIS LAST YEARS……AND BROKE THE CONTACT WITH THE MONASTERY OF tURKY CANNIVALISM DERVICHES,AND WITH A PLACE IN AFGHANS FRONTIERS WITH CHINE THERE G ,stay and like a youn thief take of ancients traditions of a world,then he makes the same in many places of europe,like Germany……and is not casuality that many grups of dervioches stay in complot to continuosly the war let the 42,because the Orders certenly of Turky want to go the War.They need sacrifice people to introdiuce the comunism in europe,and not the pact with Hitler in these year.Idries was the Madhi ocult,and the the son of Alfredo Offidani Agha the Herald of the new age,but it was impossible…….to realize these project because the other side combat to Idries and them with the divorce in 76 separate and these Alfredo fight with Omar Ali Sha for the power,and Omar expulse too.Them Agha derivated a in Madhi ,and not Maytreya,tha plan….look the monument Salvador Gaviota in Italy in his places Bennedetto del tronto.Know he are destroyd with epidemes,problems,11 september,and prostitucions to the earth because his not accepted by his people and the other side too.These goups take of alls the works of Gurdjieff too and introdiuced in his lideres,like venezuela,the real problem with these persons is that not let the people to realize spiritual,and his works,you too.You can look the favles in the book of Omar the fables of the annimals in conversation,and sufi texts edited in argentinne in his book the told that a new key must stay in the world and begain the combat with the massonry truth,and others espiritual groups,Idries was an hipocrite,and you must know that all the problem in the humannity actuals are derivated of the negation of The Scotland Massonry and others SPIRITUALS GROUPS and the real center of tibet…derivated,and others group to accept his Key.I ahve many proves of all,you can look me in internet like manager of the master of sister Shalil Shankar.G,eat of all the places were he stay to these people and his center in the mountains of afhganistans,in the last frontiers with chine,there 900 with connection with others tunnels and caverns, under the earth there a and more under are machinnes with with poleas in english i dont know the names,there are a group of persons that work and to makes vibration s for the nucleo of the world,ALL EMANATIONS OF A stone black similar like 2001 odysse space,other influence of these group to change these or destroy if his plan is not possible.tHEY ARE MENTALIST THAT USED A SPIRAL BOMBS OF LIGHTS KNOW TO LOOK THE REASON OF THESE IS THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE SPIRAL ENERGIES IN kUNDALINI BASEMENT OF THE PLANET AND BODIES,….AND WANTS CHANGE THE SYSTEMS CHAKRAS BY OTHERS ,ONLY ENERGY AND THREE CENTERS NEGATIVES LIKE THE STONES.tHEY PREFER A WORLD WITHOUT NATURAL SYSTEMS OF ANNIMALS,VEGETABLES,AND WATER,AND MINERALS REGISTER,THEY TOLD ME ALL,MARS WAS HIS PLANET LONG YEARS IN THE PAST…..They STONNE STAY IN CONTACT WITH THESE MACHINNES THAT MEKES EMANATIONOS OF THESE TO THE WQORLD BY THE WATER,AND OCEANIC PLATAFORM,THESE COUNTRY aGHGANISTAN IS SIMILAR TO THE MANCHA OF THGE SOLAR NUCLEO SYSTEMS.They have to a ENERGETIC PORTAL IN THE PLACE OF PASO KYBER…..THAT TAKE ENERGY OF THE OTHERS COUNTRYES.They have grabadores REPRODUCERS a cinta SPIRAL THAT SEND HYPNOTIC MESSAGES OVER THE PLANETS AND FIRST aMERICA, that repeat continuosly the same himnn Sheefa,and was them the real yeadd over the world.They sacrifice America,and want to change the eje of the earth with this emantions vibrations,that goes to the water.mAKES REUNNIOS THE DAY OF ALL THE SAINTS ,TO CACTH ENERGY OF OTHERS TRADITIONS.The work or the gran Obra over the planet where I was created was the Sacred order of the american knights of Fire or CAFH.you can look his couses in internet,but these Order declinned with combat to I.SHA,and his group,And kmnow survive to these especie of these galaxy spiral.The book of all and alls the things is an atracction to these galaxy and make and organic contact and take the enrgi of the planet to asimilated for these Galaxy,or the last part of the organic planets of these galaxy. Idries Sha Kill the childrens of others sistems and put his seeds in his vientre or in the embarassement or later,they used the Tashbee,for them.They not accept the Galaxy that CREAT THESE PLANET IN THE BEGINNIG,YOU MUST REMENBER MICAEIL COMBAT TO lLUCIFER AT THE END OF THE TIMES.And that they are intent more combat in the name of the last battle in the earth,like he said in his said personal teachings Master Alfredos.These persons are send vibrations over the america by the water that the begginnigs the first war aproximatly.And the young america declined espiritually by his influence……They are the responsable of Californian problems,with drugs,sexs and others situations to change these country,they used miami to introdiuce in america these vibrations with his reunions,and the war in the planet to makes his plan,like you know in these book of Gurdjief,The future of the earth,all America was declined by these absortions of these systems,and the begginnig of the Solar mancha in the Sun agravo These situations to lete to exist in 2024 approximatly.iF POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN LOOK THE REAL SITUATION OF THE PLANET AND CHANGE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE PLANET.The planet end for these people….can you look theme …..They makes the Final JUdge and used Siragusa and Bongiovanni to makes a archetyph planetary systems to makes and introdiuced his systems.Please make a distribution of my denunced to all the groups of the planet.of these real situation.I was Muslim too like Omar Yahian and them came to my real Tradition with my Master Santiago Bovisio,that he stay with the real Tradition, because the real center is the contact with the Lamas and Aegypy antiquities,not with a second places in Afghanistan..You can understand that Gurdjieff was real…. but in Turkey they change and let all that he takes in some places energetics, his born he was taken….in tibet he takes a power of the Lamas and Tradition ,was discovered by a little order by them, and was expulsed by them,All the time changed by these situation,all the time combat with the real tradition of these planet.Can you distribution my message,because these people want to introdiuc his mind in the ethnic tradition of american native people to take and change his ADN,,AND INTRODIUCE SIMILAR REGISTER OF THE STONE THAT ARE IN HIS COMPOSITION THE EQUAL, THAT THE MECCA MEOTEORITO STONE ,THE KAABA AND HIS FEETS AND MARCHAS IS SIMIRALAR TO THESE GALAXY,TO ONLY ABSORBE NOT GIVE ,THEY TAKE TO GIVE,YOU UNDERTAND….UNDERSTAND…UNDERSTAND…UNDERSTAND..UNDERSTAND..UNDERSTAND,THESE LITTLE GROUP IS THE REAL PROBLEM.tHEY HAVE THE CONTACT WITH THESE GALAXY NOT THE OTHERS,THE OTHERS NOT KNOW NOTHISNG.
Thanks for all
lisbeth said,
18.05.11 at 3:11 am
Hello Adrian, there is a conection betwen Alfredo offidani and Melek Taus, the Peacok angel of the Yezidis, the Shaytan of the Quran, One of the books of Natale Finocciano put the paecok angel on the front of the book, and Alfredo ussualy told his inner circle about his yezidis rituals on Mosul and that if somone could see him in his real form he would be very frightened, becuse he was the most old being of this world. Waht do you konw aboyt the connection bteween Alfredo and Domenico Douday? , and between all of them and the masonry?.
lisbeth said,
18.05.11 at 3:22 am
Please Adrian, do you want be in contact with my by mail to “intercambiar” some information about Offidani cult?. I speak spanish. Thank you
nemo said,
18.05.11 at 12:22 pm
You folks have lost me here? What is this about?
lisbeth said,
19.05.11 at 3:18 am
Hello Nemo, I´m a little lost too because the English of Adrian writings is very rare, but almost everything that he said is true. I was involved with Alfredo offidani several years and and i left him because i discovered all the shit that Adrian told about. But I allways supposed that Alfredo Offidani was only a simple postgurdjieff master without importance in the world order, instead he allways told us about the last battles of the world. i remenberd one dinner whe he told me that I was in another last battle for the earth before i was born. but after left him , I thought that everything from Alfredo was megalomany, but after reading Adrian writing i think that perhaps he is one of the rulers of new world order, and that there is a real last battle for the control of the minds of this planet.
Please if you know how to be in contact with Adrian let me know or let him know, is very important to give him some information about the Yezidis and the Peacok Angel, Malek Taus, the one that is adored by Idries shah, Omar ali Shah, and Alfredo Offidani.
Sorry for my bad English and for perhaps leaving you shocked, but there is much more true in this history than you could think.
Salam.
lisbeth said,
19.05.11 at 3:27 am
If you want to see a video of Aga, the supposed new Mahdi occult here is one in youtube with his music group Ubik, he is the one with glasses of the left. But i think that the project Mahdi is not possible now to Offidani family, because now everybody knows the true about then, that they are only for the power, the sex and the money…, but first for the money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv4GUnjjwPw
AbdelLatìf said,
13.11.11 at 2:08 pm
Hello Lisbeth.
I’ve been involved with Alfredo for some years and I tell you that a lot of his doings are know known also in Italy. Many people are trying to find infos about him, but it is very very difficult. I speak a good spanish. Would you like to contact me by e-mail to give me some more information? The post by Adrian was very interesting and I suspected a connection between Alfredo and the Yezidis but it was only a suspicion. And it is very difficult for me to understand exactly what Adrian means, especially for his strange english. Please answer me, there are many people opening their eyes now, in the area of S.Benedetto del Tronto, and many information about the real face of LQP have been spread around in the group by e-mail. The result was that many people left the sect. But we would like to know more, he ruined the life of many people, some are facing very hard psychological disorders after being involved in his sex rituals. When I was inside I was very close to some leaders of Life Quality Project and I started to understand that there was an inner circle. Thanks God i went away before being involved with this part of the story…
lisbeth said,
18.11.11 at 11:31 am
Hello Abdel Latif, if you write your mail in the post i can be in contact with you.
Thank you
AbdelLatìf said,
21.11.11 at 12:27 pm
Thank you for answering me Lisbeth, you can contact me at malese1976@libero.it. Thank you very much again. I’m waiting news from you.