Comments on: Luther and Nietzsche

By: The Gurdjieff Con » Reflecting on ‘Joes’ freak out commentary

The Gurdjieff Con » Reflecting on ‘Joes’ freak out commentary — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:32:36 +0000

[...] Comments on Luther And Nietzsche I was sorry for the confusion that arose with this fellow Joe who took umbrage our somewhat critical stance toward the Axial monotheisms in general, with a passing note on Judaism in particular. It is good to be wary of any discussion of Judaism, that is clear. But there need be no problem, and we have a responsibility to be level and fair here: some of the worst offenders on the guru question are Jews. I think Joe misintepreted our perspective which has been a consistent effort to get to the bottom of the Holocaust in relation to the issue of occultism. If one can’t stand the hear here best to go elsewhere. The issue of assimilation is controversial, but I merely look at the facts: without assimilation we would have had no Einstein, so… That’s all. Secularization is inevitable. Enough said, save that I think Jews themselves need to consider some of the ‘Jewish Nazis’ we have exposed and who are dangerous to unsuspecting gentiles now trained to be ultra polite and totally unsuspecting of the existence of occult monsters of the Crowley variety among Jews. What can I say, I didn’t invent this situation. [...]

By: nemo

nemo — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:12:54 +0000

>>>BTW, the topic of Choseness and what it means precisely is a deeply complex issue and your simplistic representation of it displays ignorance, perhaps, or perhaps its willful, concealing as I suspect a deep antipathy.<<<

No, it is actually very simple, and stupid. All the Jews I know cringe at the question and have decamped from Jewish culture, leaving all the thumb suckers behind.
Get with it. We are moving on beyond the Jewish, Moslem, Christian, Hindu (and probably Buddhist) cults. I can't help it, am not an antisemite, and don't give a shit about your teary eyed Jewish complaint. Wake up.

Speaking politically, from the left, look at the mess created in modern Israel. I mean, what a humdinger. Someone has to try and come to grips with the wrong thinking here.
OK?
You give me a break.
Meanwhile, go get a taste of the mass-murder Jewish nutcase E. J. Gold, before you get on my case. He is on record praising the Holocaust.

By: nemo

nemo — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:06:55 +0000

We are dealing with Jewish esoteric gangsters on this blog. Please note. We are not in the realm of sentimental Jewish club culture. Get with the program, spare us the antisemite charge, or else be gone.

By: nemo

nemo — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:03:59 +0000

My statement was that all Jews, Christians, and Moslems should disappear, so stop being so stupid about the question of Jews. It is what is called free advice. Obviously it is not going to happen in this millennium, so what is your beef?
You have missed the context here, of the E.J. Gold people, Jewish, being esoteric fascists and genocidal lunatics. We have tried to defend Jews there.

Get with the program here. It is not antisemitic, but more or less equally critical of religious stupidity. Meanwhile, look at modern Israel. A nation state founded on a contradiction, with a future result that can only be calamity. So consider the reality of the situation.

By: Jim Buck

Jim Buck — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:33:19 +0000

I’m not Jewish enough for the frummers, but would definitely have been Jewish enough for Hitler. I get scared too when I read stuff about Jews who ‘twist gentiles around your finger’; but I’m willing to give nemo a pass on this, especially since Foxmann and friends were openly confessing to a bit of goy twisting on BBC recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r7zNy0nRMk

By: Joe

Joe — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:39:00 +0000

Your first response sounded conciliatory; apparently then you had a little time to reconsider and got nasty again. Nobody’s throwing any charges around. You are the one who said “the only solution is for all Jews to disappear”. That is an anti-semitic statement. You either stand behind it or you don’t. You either admit to an error and try to clarify or you show more of your real colours, with this lovely bit of monstrousness, for example: “witchhunting Jews who are the real disgrace to the Holocaust.” Jesus. Have you no decency at all? I would never dream of even mentioning the Holocaust in the context of petty chatter on a web site. You seem to have no idea how offensive and deeply hurtful as well as frightening these statements are to other human beings who have done nothing to harm you. You seem equally unaware of the irony of the classic “some of my best friends are Jewish line”. Give me a break. Give us all a break and leave the Jews out of it. BTW, the topic of Choseness and what it means precisely is a deeply complex issue and your simplistic representation of it displays ignorance, perhaps, or perhaps its willful, concealing as I suspect a deep antipathy. Well, at least your out in the open for what you are now, thanks.

By: nemo

nemo — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:24:52 +0000

You forget that the purpose of my statement was to refute the Darwinian Nazism behind the Holocaust. If the result sounds like it does that is a clear irony.
If Jews don’t want to assimilate, it is fine with me. But I am not required to stupidities of Moslems, Christians and Jews.
Look at the hopeless condition of Israel, which comes from the covenantal delusion.
We have nothing to apologize for and we aren’t politicians, or antisemites here. I have nothing against Jews, and am not a politician required to mouth the right words in a context of witchhunting Jews who are the real disgrace to the Holocaust. Throw around the charge of antisemitism to twist gentiles around your finger. We are trying to point to the factors that are behind much New Age lunacy, and the great religions themselves. The emergence of monotheism was a bungled case. What can I say?

By: nemo

nemo — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:08:11 +0000

I am sorry if you take it that way. I understand your feelings, and should perhaps not have said what I did here. It is not anti-semitic, but a thought I acquired from my Jewish friends. I never say anything on this subject that I haven’t heard from Jews themselves, and I have met Jews who have said all this and more.
There is no compulsion here: when the sense of the failure of these religions is clear it will happen.
Jews have suffered a lot, but also have a lot to answer for. Same for Christians and Moslems. I merely wished to criticize all three equally.
In any case the idea of the ‘chosen few’ was a primitive and arrogant confusion and the result in Christians was a kind of spiritual psychosis.
If you look at the whole history you would have a hard time thinking this was God acting in history. Let’s say goodbye to all of it.

By: The Gurdjieff Con » Issues of equality

The Gurdjieff Con » Issues of equality — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:02:09 +0000

[...] Comment on Luther and Nietzsche James said, 05.02.10 at 6:11 pm · “In the nonce, Nietzsche, as charged in this book, whether fairly or not, is accused of calling for the destruction of Judaism/Jews along the lines of his eugenical project to defeat the ‘last men’. The Nazis took him seriously there, and also took Darwin seriously.” [...]

By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:37:06 +0000

The only solution is to abandon the three Axial monotheisms, and for Jews to disappear into assimilation

The quote refered to.