22.05.10
Getting past the Satsang guru gang
More comments: Lozowick et al.
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nemo said,
22.05.10 at 5:50 am ·Thanks for comment. All this preoccupation with Lozowick, Da free john, Andrew Cohen, and worst of all E.J. Gold, is a waste of everyone’s time. These people are in the business of preventing your spiritual path, as far as I can see. Recall SillyKitty and EJ Gold, that monstrosity who seems to specialize in Gurdjieff demonology.
Gold is a slightly different case: an avowed student of Aleister Crowley, and deliberate black magician.The ’spiritual path’ is relatively clear if you can evade the ‘guru worship’ circuit which attempts to stop spiritual development behind the veil of disciple mania, etc… Beware of the ‘satsang’ guruism started by Da Free John. It is pure crap, and it explicitly coopts spiritual practice.
And I am suspicious that the ‘god game’ has been brought to the fore to create a ‘path’ that coopts Indian religions with a dose of monotheism.
That is probably what also happened to Sufism at some point. Sufism has to be the biggest bum steer, Unless you have connections, forget it.
#nemo said,
22.05.10 at 5:54 am ·Say ‘goodbye’ to all these (Western) gurus and get to work. Deepak Chopra talks a good game, but he gets up and meditates two hours a day.
Look at Gopi Krishna (not the best example): he meditated to the point of visualizing a lotus. etc, etc… (his kundalini obsessions, however, are not very helpful, don’t get hung up on kundalini speculations). That takes a lot of time and heavy effort, while all these satsang assholes are worshipping the asshole of Da Free John and the stupidoes who came out of it.
Don’t wake up in your seventies, to start a path, after these people have exhausted your opportunity.
All these gurus in the Da free john gambit are trying to stop the ’search’, i.e. destroy/control the disciple totally. That’s bullshit. (Gopi Krishna is a special case, there are better examples, but he shows the way that the path is accessible to the crudest kinds of search. It is waiting out there if you can stop asskissing in this grotesque cult started by Da Free John).And you can see the result of this Western conspiracy in Andrew Cohen: a fake guru produced to make this racket seem real. Ditto, with Ken Wilbur, save that he is frozen in place and can’t seem to develop at all. Suspicious. OK, why waste your time with these pretenders?
The classic Indian path (corrupted by Hinduistic confusions) is not so complex.
This gang of Western fakes is an attempt to forestall Indian religion with monotheistic monopolies.However, as we have pointed out the Hindu field is hopelessly confused. The Brahmin game is corrupt and yet controls a lot of the guru circuit.
I know Rajneesh is controversial, but forget the man for a moment and look at the way he revived the very simple ancient Indic stream, visible in the yogic and tantric source traditions in ancient Shaivism. Before Buddhism there was Jainism, please note, without the Mahayana boddhissatwa game which freezes people also. Finding your way through these distractions is tricky. Don’t spend a life being the dip shit for the likes of Lozowick.
I don’t recommend an obsession with monotheism. It is a very late product of the Kali Yuga.
Paul Maverick said,
02.06.10 at 11:50 am
Thank you for this. It is helpful to take a look at Krishhamurti, and other similar examples of the ‘truth is a pathless land’ variety. He certainly ‘went through it’ with his ‘handlers’ and came through it as if purified by the experience. It seems that the more we humans try to codify what ‘truth’ is, the more hopelessly mired in confusion, we become? Like a big cosmic joke. Like those pictures of zen masters, or monks, just laughing like crazy, as if for no apparent reason.
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