24.08.10
Ouspensky’s cafe spirituality
http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2010/08/21/cacophony-of-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-36590
Dandy, a good writer like Ouspensky can take something and make it vivid, but in this case, as with his book in general, ISOM, the result tends to mesmerize people, who read his book over and over and over again because of such passages. The moment described might have been more than we see, but what we see is something third rate occultists indulge in all the time. It is not worth the fixation. But it is true such experiences happen around gurus not infrequently. But then so what?
Your other question I can’t answer, and at this point the moment is lost.
This is my fault to have reified concepts of the ‘spirit world’ in terms that reify more than we can know. But my original point is true enough. People suddenly graduate from the useless public discussions of spirituality and move on to something more practical in a tacit dimension.
Beware of Gurdjieff, he is one of the most successful hucksters, but the substance isn’t there. Ouspensky can’t help, and the world has moved on.
dandy said,
24.08.10 at 12:26 pm ·
“It all started with my beginning to hear his thoughts. We were sitting in a small room with a carpetless wooden floor as it happens in country houses. I sat opposite G., and Dr. S. and Z. at either side. G. spoke of our “features,” of our inability to see or to speak the truth. His words perturbed me very much. And suddenly I noticed that among the words which he was saying to us all there were “thoughts” which were intended for me. I caught one of these thoughts and replied to it, speaking aloud in the ordinary way. G. nodded to me and stopped speaking. There was a fairly long pause. He sat still saying nothing. After a while I heard his voice inside me as it were in the chest near the heart. He put a definite question to me. I looked at him; he was sitting and smiling. His question provoked in me a very strong emotion. But I answered him in the affirmative.
“Why did he say that?” asked G., looking in turn at Z. and Dr. S. “Did I ask him anything?”” – From In Search Of The MiriculousI think this is might be a good example of transference, of contacting higher forces. I highly doubt it was Gurdjieff who directed the question to Ouspensky. Am I wrong? And by the way, have you sensed something unusual in the last 24 hours?