Gurdjieff was a devil owned as slave by unknown powers. They dose you with a few occult powers or displays in the context of that slavery. That’s the only explanation for the way he threw away his own teaching into the rightist goop/goof of the occult fascists of his generation. The dark side of the force and all that. But it gets worse.
He saw clearly that most of his students were children of democracy and, egad, modern liberalism.
I am surprised for example that he tried to approach the Russian embassy in the 1930’s to emigrate to a communist country. I can’t take that much further. But, along with other occult reactionaries and borderline fascists I think Gurdjieff suddenly found Hitler and then the Holocaust more than he bargained for. At the turn of the twentieth century these esoteric occult conspirators were mostly not antisemites and did not reckon on the coming of a figure like Hitler.
Gurdjieff is stuck in an ‘immortal devil’ reincarnation circuit that can’t achieve liberation. The foes of this monster should warn the future to capture him in his next ‘return to earth’ and subject him to a regime of breaking down his old ‘soul formation’ so he can be reborn into a path of liberation.
I am getting more ‘cries for help’ from the Anirvan source, as we have noted, still another author of a book with rave reviews of Gurdjieff. All the people who promote Gurdjieff find out the hard way what they have done.
Here is my review of To Live Within on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3QA0WVTY9KDKN/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
Anirvan was almost extreme in his Gurdjieff fanhood. But I think he wishes to bail out and is sending signals for help. I wonder if some Indian spiritual figure could confirm this? It is easy to end in (partially, or fully) imaginary thinking. They probably wouldn’t dare. I will leave the case open, but I think this figure doesn’t want to end up in the Gurdjieff world.
My review tried to point out the fallacies in his book To Live Within. Disciples should read this review and be wary of applying Indo-buddhist categories to an anomalous ‘rogue sufi, maybe’. We don’t really know who Gurdjieff was.
The real Gurdjieff can be a horrible shock. A ghost across time, immortal devil, he will allow a happy start starting with the infliction of suffering, and in the background is the crypto-fascist hatred of modernity.
I need to learn how the issue of ‘seeking refuge’ works. I am not RB Ouspensky, but some thought so and I have learned from their mistake the tactics rogue sufis use on their own fans. Note the Wikipedia article on Anirvan (WKPD doesn’t endorse the entry fully). He was the disciple of what appears to be a remarkable guru of Indian origin, and seems to apply this knowledge to Gurdjieff who was a very different kind of spiritual figure. We see the same phenomenon in Osho who very early read Ouspensky’s book, enthused briefly about Gurdjieff and then began to realize a problem. O r so it seems. I cannot evaluate or speak for Osho here.
Moral: to those who write books praising Gurdjieff I would suggest slipping away and if possible disowning your books here. Gurdjieff was absolutely clever in getting writers to produce books praising him. The whole genre is a fraud, and has caused thousands to fall into a dangerous trap. You are obligated to try and assist these victims to escape this spiritual dungeon for torture baraka.
Note that Anirvan has never met anyone in the Gurdjieff world and is referring to his experiences with an Indian sage of some kind.
The future (next) generation is going to show a lot of panicked refugees from the new age movement. The deceptive fascists will suddenly be revealed and people (if they are luck enough to figure out their previous lives) who were tricked into ‘disciplehood’ will be trying to escape.
The world needs a spiritual path that isn’t at war with modernity and democracy.
This seems like strong stuff, but it is not antisemitic. It is an attempt to prevent a monopoly effect in the new age movement. If you don’t think this is possible look at the history of Israel. After the first generation of idealists a second wave is not so nice.
But I think this can be overdone.
The new age movement is moving into a new future and at some point there would be Xtians, jews, moslems, buddhists…
Consider the post under challenge, but I am not afraid to say I wrote it. And soon jews will end by agreeing with me, as their interior ‘spiritual elite’ reminds them of who their owners are.
This is dangerous and troubling terrain. Of all the attempts by jews to dominate religion in the wake of xtianity, this episode is the ugliest. But I have no confidence this is the full or correct picture. And my account is contradictory: a sheik like Gold wouldn’t control that terrain, so what is going on?
The appearance of young jewish nazi empowered with the plexus tech is downright scary and yet the logic was obvious as per my previous post.He flipped the bird at jews in the attempt to move in a fair direction. But this fellow was a petty thief and a pretty desperate case of sufi ‘malamat’, so I can’t figure it out.
To be fair, jews often suddenly move in the Jesus direction and get a taste of the hidden jesus, and think it a part of judaism. The above case was like that: a mysterious jesus identification.
I think all that has been stripped from the Gold sphere. That leaves a few carrier stragglers like me with no way to resolve the confusion. There is absolutely noone who can help.
The advice I seem to have gotten from the Osho direction was that in the bardo transition such things are stripped away and you are reborn with a clean slate.
Perhaps we are seeing successful resolutions of this mystery in the sufi lineage of saints, and the classic ‘completed man’ of that tradition.
I think that the phenomenon of the ‘jewish new age guru’ taking over a lineage line is part paranoia, but also a real quagmire as we can see.
The real new age is waiting for jews to assimilate, if only partially, and then their talents can be effective.
The only sane way here is to try and dump the seed plexus and/or proceed on a new path. It is possible to multitask paths if one is ‘almost’ turned off. Best to move toward the world of meditation, etc…
The whole Gurdjieff work simply moves at a tangent to the real thing, sadly. Everything seems set up for this special process but none of the people in the Gurdjieff fold ever learn anything of this. The cruelty of these sufis is horrible.
The classic image of Jesus could be helpful here if we had a better sense of it. Jesus combined many many different aspects from gnosticism to buddhism and was a human treasure. But I fear we have lost him and may need to simply walk away from substitute Jesus fantasies. I think Jesus has passed beyond the beyond and we see only a religious machine in the churches entering a new era.
My drift of argument here, to be brief for a gruesome subject, is that a group of hopeful sufis arrived at the Gold arena in midseventies with a gentile and jewish candidate, destined to be plexus-seed transmitters in a balanced directive. No sooner did this group dismiss, with the field of seeding turned on from outside the school, than the gentile was attacked ripped off, and rendered unable to function on any level. This sent the paranoid suggestion of an attempted jewish take over effect.
This would be silly: a whole group of people become carriers just as bystanders in the group.
The big question is, what are the facts, is there an interpretation of the few facts known, what is the status of this hidden technology, and is there any truth to the usual charges of ‘jewish this, jewish that’ in regard to question of control and domination, this in the context of a jewish ‘guru’ who openly boasted of ‘playing monopoly’ on many levels…
The conclusion here is that we can’t conclude anything, should protest the bungled operations done in secrecy, the manipulation of innocents in the display of ‘baraka’ with its unstated catch-22plus. Sufism is a game of saints and pious hooded hopefuls in the context of a peculiar new style of vallainy making jokes about the dark side surprisingly unfunny and regrettably apt.
As for the jewish domination effect and charge, it is surely paranoia as to something impossible. The seed-plexus phenomenon can surely multiply ad infinitum and is not a limited energy phenomenon, and could in any case be reentered at a thousand points in any number of sufi groups. But the reality I suspect is the rarity of this. Whiy? Xtians I think were the first here (Judaism was always about ‘no soul’) with Jews from Israelites and Xtians to realize this benefit in a true spiritual path. It seems to have died out early and thence to reappear in Islamic sufism. That is the superficial guesswork that is relevant to the tale.
This could end in paranoid recriminations.
Let me note that jews and Xtians have royally fucked up religion and that Islam has no such impediment to realization. I will stop short of judgment, despite these facts.
The general public could go wild over this, and the issue here is the caution to not create spiritual monsters by this method. But to my impression the monsters are real and control this process, so many may elect to stand in reserve here until a new public source is able to realize itself.
In general freaking out for being left out is OK for five minutes, but to a larger perspective it is actually better to just be aware of the mystery, and also to consider moving into the ‘buddhist brain drain’ that takes most efforts to become sufis. Why become a devil controlled by some unknown djinn. Better to move in the circles that honestly lead beyond samsaric adventures.
Our idea of the man with the million pound note shows a way to deal with ‘not having’, as a guide to a potential future for all humans, slowly realizing.
Let me withdraw my two posts on the issue of Hollywood and sacrifice as too vague to be understood, and without the correction evidence. Since the statements given make no accusations and state nothing specific save a few pieces in a larger puzzle, but issue a warning that the students in the New Age world must be very wary of whom they are dealing with. If a guru or sufi suddenly makes a reference to sacrifice, always recoil politely and demand clarification. Never surrender the will to people who use ambiguous or loaded categories and fail to specify (as buddhists always specify) their meaning.
The question of Hollywood here should be cautioned with the suggestion that it was not sacrifice in any sense to do with Hollywood actors in given films, but a play on the surface with embedded messages. But beyond that the whole mini cosmos of Hollywood (and Bollywood) is saturated with a kind of egoic monstrosity effect, and generates a riddle beyond easy understanding. These are very recent enterprises in world history, so perhaps the clues are arriving.
What does this mean? Occultism is so demented we reject its forms. But real occultists do exist. Don’t envy them.
But in general the effect of Hollywood movies is starting to suffer the suspicions of ‘private eyes’ in the spiritual domain, who complain that this medium is anti-meditative with the commercial erotic littering the unconscious with the phantoms of captured vision. It has become a perverted medium with debased credentials for art Well, perhaps it is also the result of hunger in many for information about the world which remains unseen, untraveled. It shows a technology for the voyage into undiscovered country and the first acquaintance with humanity for many.
In any case, I think the world of Aleister Crowley, rubbish plus rubbish, points to a real unseen world of real occultists, those who have reached the dark side, there to prosper briefly and perish in hell. I will name no names but stand by my suspicions.
It is unacceptable for the world leader of sufis to be dabbling in (sacrificial?) magic. Since we have no full proof we should instead void the authority of all sufi sheiks and move on.
People like Gold don’t have the right given in dementia by crowley to murder people.
Note that you are free of any allegiance to any sufi shiek. I have had it claimed against me that since I spent one week in 1976 with a few sufis I am beholden forever to these gangsters.
You may have to fight you way out of sufism.
Reading this short-lived blog I sensed the immense hurt recoiling on me at the dawning realization all is not well in the Gurdjieff kiddie ride realm. Behind the kiddie rides are a bunch of gangsters. I think I am right in my stark cold-turkey approach to Gurdjieff mesmerization. Look at the New Age Movement as a whole: those who pursued meditation were on track. Those who tried anything with the likes of Gurdjieff have gone nowhere. Get the point.
NOTE/UPDATE:This post shows fragment evidence and makes no charges oraoccusations.
The case of Barry Lyndon was one of the original issues that led to this blog, and the term ‘cold case’ is appropriate for all of it. But the Barry Lyndon case echoed something in the Gold circle, where a few people noted the signatures of ‘sufis’ in Hollywood films. What was all that? Barry Lyndon collated a set of “the one word’ puns on the names of two goldies.The collation of Barry and Lyndon was the signature for some kind of margical ritual.
The case of ‘Grease’ is obscure, but the suspicion is there, and the ‘three volts’/travolta is a curiosity that is passing into history, to be forgotten. I recall suddenly becoming obsessed with electronics (around 1977) and had a funny idea about ‘three volts’. I knew alot about the math of linear systems but was totally ignorant of the technology. I got the classic Radio Shack 99 in 1 kit which allowed making electronic gadgets like radios a simple five minute job (a great toy for its time).
That’s the end of the story. I learned later that Idries Shah was a bit fan of electronics, so maybe I was momentarily picking up a sufi echo. This is as close as you are likely to get to hidden sufism.
I think the answer here is that people were tracking down the reincarnation of Ouspensky, maligned for walking away with Gurdjieff spiritual energy: they ‘sacrificed’ his spiritual energy, and this echoed out into a Hollywood film.
Crazy? That goes without saying. Actuall nothing has been said: the core facts are that people around those sufis often thought they saw sufi magical echoes in Hollywood films.
Cold case file. The case of the movie Grease is less clear. But this might someday flush out some answers.
Moral: don’t trust sufis further than you can spit.
I am surprised someone should feel so hurt by this blog. But this is a failure to see the crisis in new age culture. This is the generation that heard Osho blame the Nazis on buddhists. Everyone has been reeling in (hidden) shock since the seventies here. Really vituperative counter is a result and can’t be challenged with sentimental chitchat about conscious men.
Gurdjieff does deserve defense against Nazi leanings, if the evidence is there. But the whole occult world was in a state of madness in that generation. Gurdjieff, I think, recoiled, but never spoke out. Whether his presence in Paris throughout was an issue is unclear.
Thanks to NK for the link here. This has been sitting out there for several years.
The charge of kidding the disabled is completely ridiculous. This is a ridiculous charge. I used the term ‘spastic’ as a schoolboy along with many others as a term of slang. It has a cartoon type usage in the general culture by people who are unaware of any medical diagnostic association. The idea that this is disrespectful of the disabled is a headscratcher, bizarre.
this blog is called ‘debriefing the Nemo Con’. Wrong word. I could be nuts, but this is not a con. I used the term ‘con’ with Gurdjieff because his work didn’t pan out as the outcome ‘truthfully’ told in advance. It is all filled with lies.