I notice over the years that these guru/sheiks got their victims to touch briefly if at all the ashram space, and then made them move off in a kind of rendition that made evil practices, sacrifice, invultuation, experimental torture, or just torture. Any failure to submit results in more torture….
Then after 2000 or so the opportunity arose to expose these tactics. Imagine if there were no Internet. The Gurdjieff Con would not exist, and the attempt of these fascist buddhas and sufi jerkoffs to murder in private suddenly becomes public on the internet. And all the groupies with their tickets to India, their ‘special’ status near the source (in reality they are simply decoys), are the best cover, truly stupid people. I can think of no group more stupid than Osho’s. It was useful to gain publicity and traction but they are useless. Now they need to bushwhack people like me, who have to be tortured because they won’t submit to stupid dictator buddahs.
I see no evidence of any compassion in these figures.
I think the stupid groupie set should learn what they are fronting for.
The only way through this is to study ‘will’ next to ‘being’. If you try to exert your will, you problem fail, around these gurus. Adopt a path of being, mediation, and try to approach your deeper unconscious where these vampire buddhas ‘have your number’. You must approach some kind of ‘deeper I’ in order to move beyond it. To reach a superficial enlightenment will not do this and you will disappear in short order.
We need to create a new version of the refuge Xtianity promised but never delivered…. But Osho ushered in the age of the one buddha…
It is time for me to repudiate the whole new age connection with buddhism, Osho, yoga, sufism and religion, Xtianity, Islam, etc…The Osho connection has been so outtrageous I will never again deal with an Indian guru.
They are all gross hypocrites. Their value when alive as induction to turiya is brief and limited to a few cases at random.
A better way must be found. That’s easy: the guru is already there without any ‘person’. But this is more difficult. but a chicken and egg analysis of the guru effect makes it obvious the first ‘guru’ had no guru. (more or less)…
The last year has shown me the vampire effect in dead gurus with a warning to those who flounder in the legacies of dead gurus. The majority of suckers in these ashrams are either liquidated as food, or enslaved as drones in lower states of consciousness. You MUST find your own path working alone….
This is an easy problem to solve, and the higher powers, if any, behind the Axial Age solved it for us, for the last age period: a sublimation of Indian religion via buddhism. We can adopt a metahistorical stance on Indian religion: the Axial Age shows a macro streamlining of ‘santana dharma’ via the Jain to Buddhist flows… Thus a neutral cross-study can generate a guru/culture independent core that unknown spiritual guides generated for us: the buddhist revolution. But this is guru dependent, and degenerate now. We must start over with core material on the ‘path to enlightenment’, being very careful to recreate everything given the predatory action of ‘dead buddhism’ and its drones..
The point here is that buddhism attempted a generalized sadhana that we can take from it Gautama link. We have no connection to that figure now, who delayed final nirvana as long as he could, but no longer. And not long enough to stop a fascist/nazi gotterdammerung abuse of this leftover disciples for a deadly purpose, so the rumors go.
Upon reflection the point should be transparent: starting with the Axial period a de-hinduized ‘dharma’ for global populations began to emerge. And we should try to finish the job….
Hucksters like Osho are reference points, but we are confronting a truly dangerous passage: a buddha/dharma without gurus. We have no choice. I speak as a westerned who never went to India and was preyed on for that reason as a vulnerable dupe.
I think buddhism is dying. It is like Jainism in the Axial period: it suddenly stopped producing teertankers and the dharma became a public religion.
I am beset by many of these vultures who wish to murder any independent spirit to consolidate their astral hell zone.
A self-generated path is easy in principle but very hard in practice. Since we have no choice, and because the guru principle can be abstracted to public domain canons, and independent ‘friends’ of seekers this is definitely possible.
This is in one way the result of Osho’s lack of a guru: he has exploded the whole category…
To have a path you have to be sure you are a free agent. With someone like Osho you are not. And these people will kill you for defying their demonic authority. The whole game is collapsing..
Osho was the last time, I told myself, I would truck with an Indian guru (what to say of sufi gangsters) but the predictable confusion has simply reappeared. The whole nine yards about a continuation of the commune was pure bullshit to try and draw me into the ‘control system’.
The guru control system is dangerous because it can proceed beyond awareness to vitiate autonomy.
That’s outrageous. If men had no soul, as Gurdjieff hints, that would happen automatically. But to simply liquidate disciples is totally off.
I think the whole guru game is going downhill into oblivion. It is dangerous for vulnerable men with fragile spiritual foundations to associate with these tyrants, who, I suspect, rip out the deeper selves and turn their disciples into automatons.
I have wasted a huge amount of time with the Osho entity, granted that the three way system of murder makes it hard to know what’s going on.
To realize enlightenment you have to fight for your autonomy. Simply ditching ego to a ghost won’t do it…
I am pulling away from my Osho venture of the last year. I was played nicely to divulge info on the great sufi secret (I was doing that anyway) but I can see some will try to use public information on the way to making their use of it secret all over again.
Given the dangers, I think the time has come to terminate the whole guru tradition: the more so since it can remake itself easily as an open process, viz. friendship. But spiritual surrender is dangerous in a global context. It is on the level of reopening the slave trade, except its worse.
We need a new class of liberators who can review the spiritual histories to detect and free the victims…
The buddhist esoteric zone is under permanent suspicion of trying to create a new fascist movement from the stealth ‘nice guy’ buddhism we see successfully transplanted to the West. Make sure you have agreed in principle to have no further say in this or your own between lives transmogrification based on conversion via sweet smiles.
Whenever these paths go wrong, it is important to suspect sabotage from Christian sources. The sudden confrontation of religions in globalization makes competition turn into black magic.
They say Jesus was a buddhist. But no path to enlightenment exists in Xtianity….Xtians are simply herded like cattle through a mechanized system….you will be ‘saved’ to a future rebirth, instead of incinerated in the extermination bardos…
The slow motion shock of seeing that Islam/sufism, buddhism/yoga, xtianity/judaism are all corrupt and unusable makes one ask if homo sapiens is capable of religion. One answer is that if his guides are corrupt, he is helpless.
I think Osho commune is already a wreckage. In any case, I have to exit asap from the malevolent hatred of the Osho entity…
The Gurdjieff world is a monopoly battle of human demons.
Here secular humanism based on scientism has not helped: we can call religion corrupt, but we can’t play ostrich and negate a ‘spiritual (actually some kind of material) zone’.
The above is total bullshit, sufis must have been dumb enough to try this, and we have suggested that powerful beings have intervened somehow and will seed future lefts here, if the latter can propose a spiritual platform. We have ersatzed several here, and in LFM, but perhaps more is needed. This issue will take time, and it is unclear finally what the plexus/x factor really is.
A basic spiritual platform for the left can
adopt samkhya as a materialist surrogate
axiomatize the ‘material’ nature of the soul
create two study zones: cosmology (god questions or no-god questions) and ‘consciousness/self-consciousness’ questions… No more is needed, …
I am putting the whole contents of this blog and Darwiniana online at Dropbox in a public folder. This file can be opened in Dreamweaver, and microsoft Word (although sometimes this fails?). There are also multiple XML readers and, voila, just realized you can open the file in Firefox browser! That’s good, because Firefox allows ‘search’.
The xml file opens with some peripheral material. The blog starts further down with the first post: 2008:
Ok, ready to go. Welcome, to the Orphans of Civilizationhttp://www.gurdjieff-con.net/2008/06/28/ok-ready-to-go-welcome-to-the-orphans-of-civilization/
Use “Ok, ready to go’ as a search string…
You can if you wish to deal with a renegade help to keep this information in existence. This is the only source I know of public information on the sufi legacy depicted…
You can of course open the file in a wordpress blog: you can use the Wamp Server (windows) to create everything needed on your own computer. You can then import the xml file.