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Debriefing the Gurdjieff work
“American Christianity … has largely forgotten how to seek out and visit the ad hoc places of prayer in our culture.”
You are a strange case, a millionaire buddhist dilletante of some kind, Trump supporter and evidentally a conservative or reactionary. I think you should be wary of what you are up to and make a sick joke out of the begging bowl buddhism that emerged so long ago…
I have been indifferent here, and remain so, but from now on I am alert to the evidence you are a flunkie for buddhist fascists…perhaps without realizing it. Your main question is, how do I avoid being a buddhist zombie?
Buddhists seem to have an imperial demand that modernity satisfy their futurist wish, but the data of the eonic effect shows that it never repeats itself and instead we see the knowledge of Indian religion and buddhism entering at around the time of Schopenhauer and Herder. Schopenhauer essentially recast the whole idea of a spiritual psychology in a new form. He was not a buddhist. The mysterious wisdom of this is confirmed by our horrified discovery that buddhists became involved in fascist implantations. They proceeded to the destruction of German culture. Small wonder history tries to move beyond buddhism. We can see the same with Osho’s neo-buddhism. It is entirely logical to try and restart something like buddhism, but I don’t think it will happen.
This essay haranguing ‘romantic buddhism’ is part of the larger mentality. These german romantics were mostly feckless dreamers and poets, and I suspect this essay echoes an attempt to study the psychology of such to manufacture zombi fascists. Buddhist disembodied elements had the power to do that. We see in the Gold sphere the partial public revelation of a ‘jewish sufi’ effort to find out what that was about, and imitate it.
These leaves out the issue of german occultism, the relationship of freemasonry and rosicrucianism to sufism, and much else.
But the place of germany in the eonic sequence was crucial and we see that Germany, next to other ‘frontier sectors’ produce a tremendous series of innovations as part of the modern transition. to pick on the a set of widlflower german romantics is almost ludicrous.
The modern world needs to recycle buddhism asap even as the remnants try to create a reactionary social and political body that will be a dangerous svengali for all seekers who don’t suspect the nature of the game.
This fits nicely into my model: we have the period around 6000BCE as the onset of a civilization in exact concert with proto Sumer.
The attempt to isolate and attack the so-called ‘romantic buddhists’ is an exercise in futility which simply shows the buddhist obsession with modernity.
Study my historical model and its depiction of modernity. The German romantics were one charming corned of a truly immense transformation. What on earth is the point of singling them out for a buddhist harangue.
I think this shows how in trying so hard buddhism in the modern world is going to fail Temporal continuity is always possible, but like Jainism after Mahavir it will be mechanical cult.
Buddhits expect an unlimited future but even the history of India shows the cycle of change that is invariable, and it also shows the difficulty of exporting anything. And now we learn that the modern esotric buddhism is infected with fascism… I rest my case. Time to flush the toilet on buddhism.
This attack against a set of humble german romantics at the fringe of the modern transition is ridiculous. Meanwhile the buddhist world is now ensconced in all sorts of right wing, capitalist, and other shadowy activities. The abuse of occult power has been I suspect so extraordinary that what I think has happened is that modernity was among other things an attempt to evade this darkness. What on earth went wrong here? The culture buddhists would create would be dreadful.
I will say only I suspect the Gautama figure ceased to have anything to do with buddhism. What we see is something else. It is Osho who charged it with is juggernaut with creating nazism. A staggering charge.
I think we should simply ditch the whole legacy. And the Osho legacy is already heading into the same morass.
The path of yogis was never a religion: individuals retreated to the forest, alone. Buddhism was the first attempt at a world religion made of this cloth, a contradiction. The result is highly suspicious….
NK, this is a really bad piece of scholarship. And I am still unsure who the Romantic Buddhists are. The world of the Romantics is not a suitable object of such hate, and the sermon about the real dhamma is crap. It is filled with the intolerant buddhist/jihadi contempt for modernity, which went out of its way to be bypass buddhism. Now the vampire is with us all the way to Boulder, with new attempts is Big Dick neo-buddhas like Osho.
We need to be done with it. the one ring goes to the cracks of doom when the tale ends. and the tale of buddhism ends. I hope the Osho version will clog on fart gas and never happen. the world has moved on. and it needs a new understanding.
I fail to see your point about the clarity and effectiveness of the dhamma. Whatever the case it suffers mechanization of thought and it likely sterile. and the whole game is caught in a triangle of confusion between hinayana to mahayana, etc…
The attempt to take over the world cursed all the ancient religions and they have all failed.
New Agers, buddhists, are expecing a new turning of the wheel of dharma as in the time of gautama, but it won’t happen. And haranguing german romantics isn’t going to help. the modern world simply ditched the axial age religions and is on another path and the discovery of buddhist nazis shows the wisdom of time in the flight of the frodos from the dark lords. to say the least
I am a little baffled by this essay on ‘buddhist romanticism’. What is the concept? the period of German Classical Philosophy and the Romantic era is what is being referred to. This was a beautiful period and it had nothing to do with buddhism.
Give me a fucking break. and look at the real german buddhists: the buddhists finally got their man, the nazi…
And what leaves me in a state of dread is that it just these humble romantics who got surveyed and spied on as material for a fascist movement…Grotesque…
The jihadi movement might give us a hint about what happened to buddhism at some point as the esoteric sphere spawned a kind of holy war against modernity. Instead, the result is the self-destruct of buddhism, soon to be followed by the self-destruct of Islam. And I hope sufism goes with it, a real gangster nightmare racket of cannibals.
A deadly ambiguity pervades the idea of enlightenment: the Advaita points to it: it is not an experience. and yet with Osho, Gautama we see the emphasis on the experience of such. And then we see Osho passing out of it. What is going on?
And these entities are a plague because once dead they seem to become fake ‘consumers of the will’ in the name of enlightenment.
I am twice suspicious. I think Osho and Gautama are two special cases who are given to create large movements, and that is a very problematical situation. I would say, dismantle buddhism and oshoism. We don’t need another army of dead zombis trying to take over the planet.
Look at the source of this: yogis reaching the forest alone, and becoming enlightened in a beautiful solitude. But instead now we confront these armies of dead boddhisattwas peddling bullshit.
If there is a problem with Gautama and Osho the whole legacy is in trouble.
I need time to read this piece on romantic buddhism, but it is beside the point. You sound like a gestapo agent in a buddhist colonial occupying force checking out romantic poets for heresy. And from what I can see buddhists hidden behind the pious front are deadly killers.
These poets may have not been buddhists,but they weren’t fascists.
You are anonymous here and your agenda is unclear but it suddenly gives some hints.
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NK I have yet to see a single enlightened buddhist. You proclaim the record of guatama in his time. But I am suspicious.
I have watched the Osho movement, with all the same potential and it has produced almost no result. So I am suspicious of buddhist propaganda. We have almost no accurate information.
As for Advaita, I can’t say. I am not an advaitist. I have also defended buddhism here against the neo-brahmins. but Advaita which is independent of hinduism is the probable core of the whole shebang. Mutual antagonism is not helpful in fact. It makes no sense to pit it against buddhism. they are in the same family.
My critique at Darwiniana, several of them, raises the suspicion that buddhism became corrupted and rotten, generating fascism in the west. And that the disciples far from becoming enlightened got turned into a meal and ended as dead zombis. How else stage a fascist movement with pious buddhists. Was there no revolt? What happened to the rebels?
I have learned what they do because I have been in a near war with the Osho /Gurdjieff entities: behind the scenes they demand absolute heil hitler obedience or they will kill you.
So do pranayama on my fart gas here.
Buddhism is dead, and it is better to let it slide into the sea. Humanity has to start over. Haranguing ‘romantic buddhism’ is a confusion. These people may have been romantics, but they didn’t claim to be buddhists.
This solves one of the mysteries of my eonic effect. Why did history ditch buddhism and start over far far away. We know now. The bloodythirsty vampire army of gautama was deadly dangerous. But it has collapsed now, its force spent. the whole public buddhism we see now is a waste product.
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I guess it is more appropriate to pick up the conversation here. I could comment ad infinitum, but I’ve made the points again and again and again…and they don’t seem to sink in. Using Buddhism as my reference point doesn’t come from a dogmatic reverence, but because I’ve studied it in depth and I can see where Advaita is lacking. Advaita is fine as far as it goes, but I’ve never seen one Advaitic yogi (ancient or modern) who is “enlightened” in Buddhist terms (they’re always Uddaka Ramaputta or Alara Kalama types). I guess it would be more appropriate to look through the reviews I’ve posted on Amazon and ask me specific questions about them (I’ve also posted reviews on non-Indic contemplatives like Bernadette Roberts and Franklin Merrell-Wolff):
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Honestly, I think Kant is more important than Schopenhauer in establishing a Dharma in the West. Not that Schopenhauer can be grouped in with the rest of the German Romantics, but the main problem is that Westerners are confusing German Romanticism with Eastern religions from the start:
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Your comments are welcome, but resolving this is hard…
I have two books by Gombrich, I seem to have gotten the wrong one…
This forum is a study in general insanity, be sure you would rather post here….
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The issue of buddhist romanticism is unclear to me. The original romantics were not buddhists at all, and the phenomenon is a complex cultural complex associated clearly with my eonic effect. This was to be sure, a period of the entry of buddhist and indian texts and their study begin in earnest.
In any case the romantic movement is dialectical complement to the enlightenment, the western version.
The romantic movement is really about people like Keats who suddenly appear in a miraculous moment of the eonic effect. I doubt if Keats knew anything about buddhism.
Perhaps these romantic buddhists are twentieth century???
Perhaps you mean Schopenhauer. But he wasn’t a romantic buddhist. His transcendental idealism is an independent philosophic innovation from Kant that helps to see what many spiritual psychologies are struggling with but can’t get straight. He did have a buddhist idea of the negation of the will, and his pessimism resembles the first noble truth, but his main achievement is to create a new foundation for the future of spiritual subjects.
I have commented on this post at nemonemini.info several times here, but the confusion is hard to sort. This episode looks like a case of enlightenment in a guru field and I was under pressure to declare myself enlightened by the x entity, as propaganda. I resisted because it wasn’t an experience of enlightenment. I have attacked Gurdjieff who was right at least in one sense that there are a whole series of things round about ‘enlightenment’.
Here’s the real story, which I had forgotten: the experience (or non-experience) was an illustration of the ‘will’ factor, hence its miraculous character.
This goes back many years to the period after passing through the Gold circle (I was never a part of any of that, or of sufism) I went through a period of multiple guru fields PLUS under the Gold influence a study of Crowley’s works. It was the beginning of the period of doubts about gurus, and there were a lot of them, the absolute worst being Da free John, that gross mess of a teacher and sordid vampire. I resolved to never use any part of Crowley’s magick, but did allow myself a reading of his books, and I read all of them (many at the NY public library), including the toxic and dangerous whatever it was grimoire of Abramelin the Mage, Crowley’s main text. I bought a copy of the book, tore out one page, and threw out the rest. I resolved to never perform this ritual, but to consider the issue of will about which occultists have no monopoly. Will and the question of gurus, renouncing both. This was a period where I finally gave up on crowley and on gurus, and I recall in one episode walking across the rockies from boulder to small town fifty miles away where I go a job. It was a resolve to transcend the duality of guru’s and magical occultism. This was no small sacrifice since self-defense against a clear crowleyan like Gold can lead to many temptations to equalize by studying black magic. Better to roll with the punches and let the karma being that of the perp.
so to make a long story short my approach to the Osho field via freight train triggered this earlier ‘magical vow’ as the non-dual ‘will’ beyond ‘will’ and gurus. so what was happening was the real effect of what Crowley pointed to in his Abramelin operation, but totally different.
That is, this was an experience, or non-experience of the unseen action of the ‘will’, which I had had many times before. And which seems to be something beyond my ego or will, to say the least. It is the sufi world of the miraculous, a deeper, yet lesser realm close to perhaps, but not enlightenment. So this was quite different from interacting with a guru field, although that may have interacted with it.
Please, do NOT EVER perform Crowley’s Abramelin ritual (it is not his). Stay away from the occult and magick, and maybe one day the action of the ‘will’ will come to you.