The nature of the spiritual paths opening up raises the issues discussed here of the verification of spiritual experiences and the possibility of false fronts to discredit a particular guru. There is no solution to the question, and, unfortunately, the example given by me started out nicely but has ended in confusion. Disregard that, be wary, but trust enough (I am pursuing my suggestions to leftists) to consider this attempt to recast a neo-buddhism for the future.
Buddhism itself has foundered in the fallacies of the ‘new agists’ who think modernity the ‘end times’ as the Kali Yuga and that view is perniciously false. It wouldn’t matter much if some of the proponents weren’t prepared to adopt fascist countermeasures.
The Indian stream has survived several of these ‘new age’ transformations, and the reason is its timeless character.
As I can see now the Osho field has been subjected to a lot of malicious occultism and the ‘image’ problem to the glee of those agencies is wavering. But the question is solved on the ground by those who have and will continue to pass through this innovative world to found a new reality for a new era. The older ‘Hindu’ (wrong word!!!) sphere in the nonce carries the original flame but its future is not clear. But it is still a vital core, despite the hopeless confusions created by the ‘Aryan’ hybrid, and it may outlive its first born buddhism, which is beset with a mechanization of its action.
I think that as noted the Osho field is the ‘zeroth’ and foundational moment for the onset of larger movement. It is hard to know what that will be, and I may not have pointed to it at all, but…
Rereading the posts you can see what happens when you try to take over the Osho enterprise: the tiger emerges…My case isn’t very important, but I can at least say I survived ghostly Osho.
I don’t the authoritarian guru style is going to last much longer. Hey, multiple efforts to murder me for insolence have failed.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GAU9LTK/ref=pd_cbs_mov_aiv_1: an interesting documentary on yogis in India. I can’t afford a trip to India, but the world has changed: information is global.
My remarks on primordial Shaivism seem apt in this portrait of yogis with their tridents and shiva worship, there are fifteen million in India.
The fate of this legacy, the source of all the rest, is unclear from these images, but the yogis in question here are in danger of being overtaken by history, globalization, and the ripoff of their energies by the flood of carniverous western seekers.
I have to forgo comment, in fact…
Wandering through the capitalist wasteland via freightrains doesn’t quite match the original.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HIUUNAC: here’s another
There has been a lot of posting here on the ‘jewish question’ and I offered to let a jewish source mediate the discussion: Jack Kornfield. But such a new age celebrity can’t deign to deal with human new age trash like myself. Mr. Kornfield you dont get to not answer.
In any case, what’s the difference. I think I have been harsh, but fair: the case of malevolent jews like EJ Gold forces my suggestion to boycott jewish new age gurus until the questions raised are answered. Gold threatens to do to sufism and the new age movement what Israelis have done to Palestine. Best to be wary. At the same time most jews, like most Xtians are too stupid to grasp the profits in spiritual cannibalism. They are quite harmless no doubt.
Why stop there? This game was Gurdjieff’s demonic path. What blame jews for trying falling all other themselves to get in on a good thing.
Meanwhile Jack Kornfield may have missed the new age movement altogether. Maybe he should volunteer to be a ‘sacrifice’ after the ‘gold standard’. Be fair guys, why just sacrifice gentiles to jewish spiritual glory?
The question of antisemitism, and the jewish question, are going to fall over dead very soon. I think the jig is up with jewish culture, jews, jewish religion. Going going gone.
The issue is simply solved: jews have no special relationship to god. period. The Old Testament is one of the biggest packages of lies ever written. Its content makes religion impossible from the start. Over and out.
https://www.google.com/search?q=reza+aslan&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hpReza Azlan keyword search
I have tried to defend Reza Azlan in his debates with the unsavory Sam Harris, but at some point the fact has to be faced that the problem with Islam is not the issue of god (and I am neither a theist or an atheist) but, what…Is there a problem… let it go unsaid for a moment, save the general judgment that all the religions of the Axial Age are in trouble.
For me the question is not complex: the affirmation of a critique of Islam and/or an atheist affirmation threatened the ‘perp’ with death, extreme torture, and certainly taking care to never go to a Moslem country, and/or to remain anonymous with respect to members of that religion.
If this is the case, there is a problem with the religion. In fact, much commentary on Islam is based on fear, and that is not a basis for anything. We must have the right to critique Islam and/or abjure its claimed monopoly on god.
Having read all the works of Idries Shah devotedly thirty years ago, this is another disgusting outcome. The sadists will have a good laugh, but after that fuck you to the end of time. What an asshole shit to create such a quagmire for another hated westerner. Fuck you also. These sufis have to hide their muddle behind an esoteric fake mask. They can’t compete with buddhas
I must depart from the regime of sufi sadists who have atheism on their list of excuses to torment those who stupidly blunder into sufi terrain.
How can I respect a religion that hosts such a mafia of sadists, gangsters and occult demonists as the sufis. Fuck you to the whole communion of Islam.
Leave those on the path of enlightenment alone, or face the war to undo your religion. Destroying the path to enlightenment to render the victim a slave of god isn’t much of a religious program.
To a question on ‘sacrifice’
Time to never again trust a guru: the whole phenomenon was bad enough in general, but with the addition of sufism, Gurdjieff and now the Crowleyan occult added into the mix the whole gamer requires extreme caution.
At all points be in emergency mode: trust, surrender, spiritual authority/obedience, go out the window. The general real mccoy will look after itself.
Gold has never divulged his tactics here, but years later people who were uncareful around him suspect the use of some ‘ritual sacrifice’. What a horror. ‘
None of these people have any spiritual authority. Act according, on the defensive from the start.
It is always time for ‘disciples’ of the Gurdjieff phantom to recall their surrender, and be prepared to move on in a new life to something new. Those who are unknown to that now astral entity are safe and should slip away. Those in the spotlight should consider the dangers of invultuation and break free forthwith. They owe nothing to a dead ghost, and should forestall what clearly has happened to Ouspensky in his next life (in America): an endless battle to break free from the Gurdjieff capture and enslavement of ‘disciples’ over many lives. Break free now and declare your autonomy.
It is worth seeing Django and reflecting on the need for masters to use cruelty to enforce obedience. A similar situation pervades the guru/dead guru realm (I might exempt Indian ‘gurus': everyone is too aware of what’s going on for all that)_
Ouspensky seems,by report to have spent the last thirty years fighting off the G entity and Gold. What a nightmare.
The danger of soul formation is crystallization in an era now past, one reason so many new age leaders are obsessed with the ‘new age’ being an anti-modern revolt: to keep the rules of the past from passing away. But the gesture is futile.
I hope Ouspensky can free himself here: it is not totally hard: once an astral entity comes to one’s attention it can be dismiss. You can also simply declare your will: there is absolutely no surrender beyond lives to dead gurus, who are mostly hungry ghosts, and actually hungry (for life blood, shriek)
There is nothing these dead beings can do, really: you can’t make a person born in modernity play by the rules of earlier civilizations.
The Ouspensky situation has come to the attention of other beings who won’t stand for this nonsense, so the G entity must back off, hopefully.
In the final analysis the Gurdjieff work is a tale of a ‘meditation in action’ exercise, a lot of historical fairytales about esotericism, mostly without facts, and a series of methods mentioned but too esoteric to be described. The whole teaching is almost completely made up bullshit, like the idiocy over the enneagram.
So take you ‘meditation in action’ freebie and move on. Better yet, find a hundred better versions in the public domain which won’t cost you your life in overcharges.
The first post above may have spoiled the second. The issue was not surrender here, although the point made as correct: those who surrender can end up being attacked by the groupies who preach surrender to others.
My point, which was spontaneous, was to suggest how your own life may have its own scenarios of almost-meditation. The one recounted about Penn Station is too complex to understand.
Any way the paths of surrender are not a religious obligation, are exploited by agencies who borrow the idea for exploitation, and the whole game was done in by Feuerbach et al who were prepared to be finished with all these questions. These raw situations might be relived via an explicit mindfulness.
11.09.14 at 6:33 am · Edit
Assuming “Turiya” is the “enlightened” state. From the Mandukya Upanishad, it is (Nisargadatta describes it in exactly the same way. Ramana describes his “enlightenment” a few steps below…the “I am” state):
“The fourth is the superconscious state called Turiya, neither inward nor outward, neither conscious nor unconscious, beyond the senses and the intellect. It is the stateless state, in which there is none other than Brahman – One, without a second. Brahman is the supreme goal of life. It is infinite peace and love. Realize Brahman!
From the Buddhist perspective, it most emphatically is not:
4. Nevasañña-nasaññayatana: being absorbed in a feeling that occurs in the mind, that isn’t awareness exactly, but neither is it non-awareness; i.e., there is awareness, but with no thinking, no focusing of awareness on what it knows.
These four formless absorptions are merely resting places for the mind, because they are states that the mind enters, stays in, and leaves. They are by nature unstable and inconstant, so we shouldn’t rest content simply at this level. We have to go back and forth through the various levels many times so as to realize that they’re only stages of enforced tranquillity.
11.09.14 at 6:42 am · Edit
Interestingly, Meher Baba describes “Enlightenment” in exactly the same way as Nisargadatta and the Mandukya:
“Thus, the most-original Beyond-Beyond state of God is that
state where one can only say: God-Is eternally; and that in this
most-original state, God is neither infinitely nor finitely conscious,
nor unconscious, of Self or of His own state of Infinitude. In this
state, God is also neither conscious nor unconscious of Illusion
11.09.14 at 7:12 am · Edit
Comparing Nisaragadatta and Meher Baba
“One who is Parabrahman does not know whether he is or is not.”
” This pure essence (Zat-al-Baht) i s
not aware of anything, even of itself.”
http://aeon.co/magazine/society/did-zen-philosophy-create-the-kamikaze/Did Zen philosophy create the kamikaze? – Christopher Harding – Aeon
We have already discussed this issue here many times: the issue is that of buddhism and fascism, not Zen buddhism.
What was this post about? It was from one side a simple way to point to a manifold of situations that can bring mindfulness out of its purported abduction by neoliberal economy. Mindfulness to improve business efficiency is a slow death for the practice.
But the situation indicated would be impossible to replicate, and that’s not needed anyway.
It is also a good example of ‘total surrender’ and the kind of situation that only a spiritual guru could create. Watch out, that doesn’t quite mean what it says.
People who surrender totally too often do so with respect to ‘gurus’ (either hidden, or out of the presence) who exploit a golden opportunity for some kind of experiment, exploitation, sadism in the name of some spurious concept, etc… So, watch out: surrender gives the right to someone to commit murder. NOT SO, but if both sides think so, the damage can be done. Don’t panic, the perp will end up in boomerang eventually.
You learn the hard way that surrender is a dangerous and very bogus concept peddled by groupies trying to suck up to a teacher and unaware of the reality. Not even Milerepa seems to have gotten the point. The reason: he had access to his guru who couldn’t act too far out of bounds.
The sad thing here is that those who really surrender can wake up to a criminal behind the veil and end up being condemned for not surrendering.
The whole game is shot. The reason is that surrender means losing consciousness, not gaining it. And the people who do surrender end up condemned by those can’t surrender but imagine their great spiritual humility.
Meanwhile the Penn Station exercise is actually useful to think about, but impossible to imitate. And it wasn’t a game of mindfulness but a calamity on the ‘path of the fakir’, or sufi beggar. You have no buddies from sufis or any refuge, and the result can simply be a dead loss as the creepy hidden sheiks try to rip off a victim.
Moral: you are on your own, don’t play surrender games preached by groupie disciples.
I think all this in part the impoverished methods of sufis. Real gurus don’t need to sermonize surrender and do what they can do with dispatch.
Meanwhile this was an unexpected way to ‘meditate’ or just observe the real action of capitalism, and led to a deeper study of capitalist critique.
So surrender means surrendering surrender.
After reading this article I would certainly stop doing mindfulness immediately, perhaps to be mindful of the social disintegration of mindfulness technique promotion. What is the nature of the sudden problem here?
Scroll down for a post reinventing meditation: the Link Walk exercise: it is a fuzzy near-meditation designed to get you in the vicinity of meditation over a 12/24 period. If the instructions don’t strike you as easy, skip it. Invent your own. But note the act of will is something different. (Osho speaks of ‘choiceless awareness’. I don’t know if there is a connection).
The issue of mindfulness is a leaf out of a larger deck of issues: what is consciousness and why do we start to equivocate consciousness in our own minds: (mechanical consciousness, self-consciousness). What is the spectrum of consciousness and why do yogis speak of a fourth (Turiya) beyond these equivocations (or if you prefer the basic list, sleep/dream, consciousness, self-consciousness …
Mindfulness has no place in this list, or is that wrong? it is a case of being in state 2, consciousness, and trying by an act of will (attention) to either create or mimic state 3, the best of luck tactics of aspiring buddhists. This aspiration should be prefaced with the full complement of buddhist disguises: renouncing the world, begging for food, wandering naked/or not through samsara.
A mindfulness exercise (or simply a exercise without meditation, I am not a spiritual teacher of meditation) you might try if you live in new york and can’t abandon samsara for the forest is to live in Penn station for a month, not money: find a place to sleep where you won’t get arrested, stay clean, eat of the ample feast of trash cans in the main concourses (you can stay drunk the whole time, if you wish, with the endless half-empty bottles of liquor, not quite mindfulness), keep a low profile, and don’t look like a homeless person. (when I did this I gained weight). You can walk through Manhattan during the day (and within hours find changes of clothing). This raises the question of what causes events to happen: if you will to do this, or it happens because you are broke in a bad economy, there is an important difference: the homeless should be taught to ‘pay attention’ in such situations. But sheer survival without losing your mind is a basic form of attentive self-awareness. It may no longer be possible to spend a night in Penn station: agents have become very aware of transients. Back in the seventies the simplest way to sleep safely in Penn Station was out in the open, just outside the main gate, or in cold weather, inside in some discoverable spot). Safe, because constantly observed by passersby.
Homeless people can survive such situations. Be careful, ‘homebodies’ may not be able to do this, as an act of will.
If you have no money in New York this ‘exercise’, during winter, takes on concrete meaning: Penn station is heated in winter, It is not an act of will to be thrust into this situation.)
This example shows that meditation is not a cosmetic for ‘consciousness’ but the study of psychological states, hopefully in situations the organism has not yet made routine. What is at the root of this kaleidoscope. It doesn’t have to be a mindfulness exercise, but another 24 hour near-meditation exercise. But a mindfullness technique might actually make such an experience easy.
This article refers to some confused split off from the mainstream Tibetan Buddhism.
The question of a critique of Tibetan Buddhism has been tackled here. The issues are difficult. My more immediate concern is for issues and groups that I have been entangled with, and a full review of the New Age movement could start from that.
We can raise a few questions in this post. Since Robert Thurman is the author of the article let us forward our challenge to the ‘cabal’ of jewish gurus. Thurman would be exempt: the Tibetan buddhist system is so controlled that a malevolent jewish pseudo-guru would be exposed fairly quickly. Or so I suppose. Is the TB system honest?
Here’s a test for the Tibetans who brag a lot about their spiritual powers.
We have discussed the question of EJ Gold here many times. As a kind of ‘elder’ (once) in the G movement (you didn’t know that!) I can pull rank for what it’s worth on the monster from Booklyn and I have often thought to request Gold to step down from his phony sufi sheik routine. It is one of the longest running episodes of a ‘jewish sufi’ mafia that has tried to expropriate Gurdjieff, mask crime behind ‘work’ PR, exploit individuals via telepathic mindfuck, experimentation, and attempts to ‘screw total’ various victims in the name of ‘sacrifice’, the higher divine necessity of making innocent gentile dupes ‘food for god’. The list is long, and for sheer viciousness the Gold caper is grotesque. I think that even the ‘G spirit’ is set to terminate this phony school.
Please,if you are a newcomer to the New Age movement, and/or the world of Ouspensky, stear clear from Mr. Gold. He has no authority from any source, peddles made up credentials as a sufis without a single validation of any kind. This man is almost as hard on jews, I bet, as gentiles, but in the end these jews are first and foremost covenental jews who believe they have a special relationship with god and that gentiles are inferior, and fair game for ritual sacrifice black magic. Gosh knows what other horrors lurk in the minds of jewish psychos armed with Aleister Crowley and determined to take over the Gurdjieff legacy.
Tracking down the reincarnation of Ouspensy to fuck his brains out to ensure control of the G legacy is not the least of the quota of evil deeds/
If the Tibetan buddhists are so clever they might be able to pass some judgment on these remarks, as braggart occultists of long standing.
How about it, Mr. Dalai Lama?