The sidebar has a link to an Anirvan review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3QA0WVTY9KDKN/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
I am getting a lot of noise/messaging to the effect that Anirvan the self-styled supergroupie of Gurdjieff is repenting of his disciple’s awe, if not fawning, and wishes to move away from the Gurdjieff zone. That can be a perilous passage, but determination will do it. We need a clear expose of Anirvan’s book, To Live Within, and its excessive kowtow to the memory of Gurdjieff, and his confused equation of the realm of the Indian guru and his ashram with the quite different world of Gurdjieff who is not an Indian guru, although people repeatedly confuse this point. Many of the statements by Anirvan apply only to his experience with an Indian guru, and not to the quite different semi-sufistic world of Gurdjieff.
So one more of the authors induced to Gurdjieff propaganda is beginning to slip. Perhaps soon John Shirley will get the point, and maybe soon even that hopeless case Patterson, the author of still another Gurdjieff paean, now out at Amazon. I will review it at some point.
Reply to a comment, the usual attempt to defend Gurdjieff.
Always the same fine words, with no results. Your own bullshit shows the catch: his teachings are hidden, while thousands damage themselves with false and limited ‘exoteric’ information. Noone comes to their aid. Their paths end up in confusion, broken wills, food for those in hiding, psychotic remnants of occult experiments. The issue of awakening is honorable, but it is not honorable among Gurdjieffians. It is a path of idealistic suckers fronting for a spiritual mafia.
The goal of ‘awakening’ is ambiguous. What does it mean? Thousands of years of Jains, buddhists and yogis have made clear what the path is, while the Gurdjieff types always dose their victims with come ons, rumors, halftruths. Carrot dangling and partial misleading teachers get the seeker hooked and turn him into a kind of junkie trying to piece together the puzzle.
There are two confusions here: the path to ‘awakening’ can be a goal short of enlightenment: the traditions speaks of four states: sleep, consciousness, self-consciousness, and the fourth, turiya. Gurdjieff is talking it seems about stage three, for he has never gone on to the final stage. To awaken in this way may involve another aspect, the ‘will’. Achieving will does not lead to enlightenment: it is a labyrinth of navigating samsara as an adventure. The real way leads to enlightenment beyond the will.
Whoever can clarify these remarks may do so, but not make the result into tidbits with a high markup.
Humanity must evolve to get the real teaching? Give me a fucking break.This is a false understanding of ‘evolution’. Gurdjieff wiseacred the meaning of the term. Evolution means the emergence of new species from ‘evolutionary dynamics’, and that is neither Darwinian nor some new age fantasy of ‘evolving’ through occult methods. It is all bullshit. Man has evolved the capacity to reach enlightenment. That evolution is complete. Man has only to be man, and to evade those who would enslave him, like Gurdjieff.
Stop inflicting this on the unsuspecting.
The real stuff is too dangerous to reveal. And what might that be? Black magic. Occult murder. Soul plunder, human sacrifice, enslavement of the unconscious, experiments on suckers, suckers used as food, black magic to turn vegetarians into meateaters, black magic to create sex scandals in selected targets, use of torture to create devils out of idealists, strategies to steal spiritual energy, drain the energies of devoted seekers, invultuation of the will to create drone zombies, penetration of different ashrams to prey on disciples unaware of the predators at work. etc etc..,
The teachings of Buddha are the same as those inherited from centuries of Jains, and those before them. The path is clear, and India has thousands of yogis and sannyasins who have a clear and open path, with no mystifications.
The way is not hard. It comes from meditation. You don’t have to chase all over Afghanistan for the secret method.
The very worst achievement of Gurdjieff is to have broken the trust in Jesus Christ by those who take to heart the idea of ‘esoteric Christianity’. Gurdjieff had no contact with the Christ realm, yet his methods claim their authority, as if they were the secret information about the ‘real’ Jesus, as some kind of (black) magician, etc….
But the moment is ripe for a real new age to start, kickstart. That must be able to debrief Xtianity, buddhism, sufism, and much else. The way past these must be found: their lineage belongs to older, passing epoch. It is hard to see how anyone could manage such a huge undertaking. Osho was one, and yet his outcome is problematical. Anyone trying to further this lineage will get eaten alive by a small hurricane of voidness, formerly Osho, formerly Rajneesh…. His work was the first of the real ‘new age’ formations and yet it is in many ways still based in the older era.
The world needs to at least salvage the classic Indian tradition, but this has been confused by the issues of false Hinduism. And the conservative trend is not a good sign. A few very simple changes (‘reformation’s) could release the real energy of the classic traditon, pre-Aryan overlay
Time for some Khrisnamurti, when the dead pall of Oshoism begins to get to be too much. They didn’t much like each other, but a kind of love-hate is at work.
Krishnamurit, along with U.G., can do wonders if the guru phantoms begin to haunt by the light of the silvery moon.
I am sorry for the ambivalent judgments of Osho, but I risk a very dangerous situation here, one that most will not suffer. I still recommend the field of Osho as a buddha field for the left, but my personal situation here is strangely toxic. I have been getting warnings that his treatment of me is predatory: he wants to freeze people in place to make them find rebirth in a way he can exploit. I dunno, is that true. Meanwhile the whole Osho zone is a victim of disinformation that goes on and on. A pity. In a way the future of his work is in jeapardy due to this routine of savage attacks. Destroying ego can be a front for destroying the will to independent buddhas turning the dupe into the illusion he has transcended ego, when in reality he is a groupie still in the guru’s sphere. That deserves a hearty ‘fuck you, goodbye”.
I think that Osho should create an open space into which future realizations of this broad avenue of paths can be indpendently accomplished. Christians and Buddhists have suffered for being reduced to flunkie status in these two religions. There is, to be sure, ample evidence of realized buddhas in the buddhist tradition, with virtually nothing in the Christian, a barren field. But i think the deadzone of Tibetan Buddhism is going to destroy the future of buddhism. it may be time to create something new.altogether.
It is strange that Osho had himself killed in his last incarnation. One can reach a stalemate at the end of a life and be unable to close the deal.
I was more than possibly too fair to Adyashanti on this book. I hesitated on the issue of the review, but concluded that the book might help some people. But it can be a confusing or dangerous way to go.
Before you mix Jesus and Buddha, consider that this is not the same as mixing Christianity and Buddhism. Christians will not tolerate a hybrid path with buddhism. And there are many chances of confusion: how do you really claim that Jesus was on the path to Enlightenment. It is a doubtful proposition. But maybe Christian readers will get smart and suspect the missing marbles in their ‘religion’.
Later we can go over the problems in more detail.
Descent of Man Revisited is a very good approach to the ‘evoution’ question for New Agers. The text is online, but you might get a discounted version of the book at Amazon cheap, for $7.95 At Amazon. That’s a thirty cent royalty per book for two years work.
I am getting a bit tired of dealing with issues such as Darwinism alone. Almost all the gurus in the field know there is a problem with Darwin’s theory, the issue of creatioism to one side: not an alternative.
But they also knwo that if they speak out they will be lambasted and boycotted. I have carried this burdern for over a decade and am really tired of the ostracism of those who agree in private but wish to strenghten their public bullshit image by stayin away from skeptics. This regime of silence has created a whole set of false new age views, based on fonfusions over evolution.
the Gurdjieff is a very active and dangerous entity on the astral plane, and one ‘its’ tricks to take the form of some other guru and use outrageous tactics to discredit that other entity. A good example is the attempt to discredit ‘Osho’ with this kind of deception. The previous posts can be understood in that light.
There is good chance these entities will desstroy the New Age movement.
Osho sannyasins should be wary on this score.
Ini general there is no way to interact with dead gurus. And that includes Jesus Christ and most other ghostly entities
I think the Osho world is under constant attack from varius sources. Using faulty media wot discredit the memory there is par for the course.
These experiences often involve one entity assuming the identity of another to act in a way to discredit the firts.
One can disregard the previous post, on these grounds. But it is a useful warning to never trust such experiences. you can’t do sahana with the dead.
I still think the realm of Oshoism would make a good study area for leftists who need to begin some study of religious anthropology. But the realm of dead gurus, to which I seem to be acutely sensitive, is a nightmare of confusion. I think my recommendaton stands: beginners will thrive in this area, briefly, and after that will have to find the way themselves. My experiences are unique: the combined hostility of the G factor and a confusion in the Osho teachings on the issues of autonomy.
You don’t reach enlightenment from dead gurus. Such entities will provide a fake substitute that is really a form of vampirism.
Your path is alone, after a slight phase of help, if that is available. Look at the doctrines of the path to enlightenment. The issue of gurus is secondary. Very often a brief contact with a fortunately real teacher can provide a seed. But the prolonged dependencies on teachers, reaching a grotesque phase when those gurus are dead is not a path to anything.
In any case a new age has to figure all this out all over again, and find some way out of the current impasse.
Readers of this blog may have begun to get a sense that something is badly wrong in New Age fantasy land. A movement has to have a rational or at least reasonable basis to persist, but this movement is failing this basic test. ‘Grotesque’ is the best way to describe the current state of the New Age world. That is partly a personal issue; if you attack Mr. G, ghost or no ghost, the fury of the ghostplane is strong. The G factor is a strong fascist/neoliberal/hyperreactionary malevolence. You snap out of it and it’s over when it’s over. Gurdjieff bites the dust. Unfortunately the power to persist in harm…persists…
The basic problem is our spiritual ignorance, and the exploitation that creates. I am not an unreasonable man, but when two set of dead gurus start assuming the masks of the other and acting to compete then the issue of gurus is hopeless. You can’t use dead gurus. But you can’t really use gurus when alive. How many have achieved realization with a living guru? Gurus are very nervous, btw, on that point: they undermine rivals from day one…
I fail to see what the method is then, as to gurus? The dirty secret is, there is none.
New Age seekers have no real sources of accurate information, as the remote abstactions of the ‘guru’ world fail to gel as anything really robust. Instead we are treated to the gang war of rival traditions, teachers, occultists, spiritual politicians, and the results are so toxic it is important to drop all of it.
What are one’s assets here?
Xtianity is almost defunct, and never made any sense anyway. Noone achieves enlightenment from xtianity. What the fuck is the use of it? In fact, it creates a robot who is protected to some degree from…gurus, occultists, etc… But beyond that nothing.
The early nineteenth century saw a kind of euphoria in the discovery of the East. But then figures like Blavatsky started the slide into confusion and plain lies, and the seal was capped by the demonic indirections of figures like Gurdjieff, who is now squandering his remaining spiritual energy trying to eke out revenge on Ouspensky. Moral, disobedient disciples are at risk of spiritual in the next life if they don’t grant total surrender and absolute obedience. The fourth way is a fabrication and yet the myth has been planted and is permanently profitable with the endless round of new suckers, usually readers of Ouspensky, who is tragically in a state of sorrow his work ended up in the hands of conmen. It is oddly significant that the basics of the new age movement come from two suspected Intelligence agents, Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. The reason is not far to find: the emergence of fascism with esoteric echoes and occult echoes drove the spy agencies to infiltrate.
More generally the legacy of Blavatsky, as Theosophy, is very thin stuff, as Krishnamurti saw with great clarity.
The world of Gurdjieff is a total waste of time for the majority: there may be hidden groups, of course, but these feed on the exploitation of exoteric suckers. These suckers do a good job promoting this mess here in the comments to this blog.
Conclusion: we have no real ‘New Age’ movement yet. It is yet to happen.
Buddhism is under suspicion of esoteric fascism, and its Mahayana has created an army of static deadbeats who can’t grasp the world they have created, because they have re nounced enlightenment.
It goes on and on and I know no options that are reasonable here. Even the Osho option is useless. Some might suggest refuge in Xtianity, but I wouldn’t recommend it. In a way the Xtian world is the worst, and its teachings are so worn with age and bad theological trappings as to make the whole game worse than nothing.
So what are we to do if we have lost all the foundations, buddhist to sufi to xtian, in the failures of Blavatsky and Gurdjieff, the dishwater idiocy of xtianity, and wasteland of idiot gurus, power yoga fetishists. The coup de grace is the way deadly dead gurus prey on ‘disciples’ and use the ‘negation of the ego’ as a front for the invultuation and spiritual cannnibal game hinted at in Gurdjieff, and others.
That must have been the rationale of Mahayana: the teaching will cease to help, so drug the disciples and put them in cold storage. But this strategy is a failure. Study Tibetan Buddhism: it is a desperate attempt to keep track of a ver small clique of boddhissatwas. That much takes up a whole lineage’s energy. The rest, the majority of buddhist converts are simply discarded after death: there is no program to keep track of them, and their lives end up in failures to pick up where they left off.
It is important for a buddhist to break out of this treadmill and either go join the foreign legion or embark on a real path to enlightenment making whatever effort one can to create continuity between lives. The slow but steady overcoming of false recurrences starting over and over can be dealt with slowly but surely. The Tibetan sangha is totally useless here.
We need to start over: buddhism is almost finished casting its seeds into the ground of modernity. Xtianityis weakening rapidly, sufism is a cabal of crooks. I will leave the question of Islam to Moslem commentary.