The enigma of consciousness
January 25th, 2015 ·
Why can’t the world’s greatest minds solve the mystery of consciousness?
Philosophers and scientists have been at war for decades over the question of what makes human beings more than complex robots
The figure Gurdjieff was once asked this question and he replied that scientists can’t find ‘consciousness’ because it isn’t there. This was a play on two forms of consciousness, one often called ‘self-consciousness’. That the latter is the ‘real consciousness’ is a point lost on many who have not explored the realm of meditation.
There is something very remote about this ‘real consciousness’ next to the mechanical character of ordinary awareness. The answer to the question then is that consciousness is complex and we con’t experience/observe its larger manifestation because it is beyond us.
/’/Note: we can take the suggestion of people like J.G.Bennett who call ‘consciousness’ a ‘cosmic energy’, in a system of principles more or less controversial but which raise the issue of whether man ever ‘evolved’ his consciousness, or whether it is an inherent aspect of nature that he must learn to ‘tune into’. The model of Bennett is problematical, but it suggests the obvious reason we can’t control or observe the reality of consciousness.
I think I should stand back and withdraw or caution my Osho recommendation (for leftists): the basic framework left by Osho is an invaluable resource, but the question remains whether the left can make any use of it. But my judgment has been the object of unconscious influences, so that means an objectivity compromised. The issue of autonomy remains in the red zone with these cultic associations.
I am not a sannyasin and I can’t see how a leftist is going to hybridize with a new age cult. But the larger face of Osho is a transmission of India’ legacy in one of the few forms that isn’t radically anti-modern and reactionary. It ought to be the object of some study.
But our remarks on spiritual surrender point to the danger here.
There is something to be said for doing Osho anyway: this is the only legacy that even remotely touches on radical issues. But the svengali effect of a dead guru is of no use to radicals. Still, the basic core shows a way to a future of religious critique via a set of potentials ‘paths’. But this teaching is a step to the reinvention of ‘buddhism of the future’. Its relevance to a global movement is the demand to study the history of religion, and the way the ‘new age’ is spawning movements like Osho’s.
We can’t erase all that with historical materialism.
These dead gurus will try to rig posts like this, so we should be wary of cloned advertisements.
I have to withdraw here because my opinions have lost their objectivity. Enough already of this question.
The guru disciple model won’t work for revolutionaries. But it doesn’t need to: the gateway to the ur-buddhist legacy, or sanatana dharma has a useful set of materials in the Osho direction.
A simple stealth visit or study could be enough. Reactionary yogis who think the law of caste is a religious requirement just might try to blow the brains out of leftists. Stay away from all of it. There is a core Osho/Rajneesh set of materials that could be of great help.
The danger to leftists in a culture of reactionary spiritualities is considerable. I think that the left needs to create its own spiritual legacy, but that is a perilous path and would produce bad results. Historical materialism was a tortoise shell of protection, but that won’t work anymore.
The overall idea is and remains a good idea. The left needs to study world religion at this point. So proceed at your own risk.
I restored two dubious posts re: the Osho question. I need to pass on here: I have overstayed my welcome in this sphere. But every time I move away I end up back in the same confusion. I think those who preach surrender should read the post on will. They will be so terrified they will never go near a guru again. Invultuation of the will by dead entities (dead gurus) is dangerous and can lead to psychological self-destruction. I am suspicious of a lot of cases, all of a sudden. Osho the ghost, which is probably a sufi having fun discrediting Osho is making me sick.
The sad reality is that casualties are discarded: very bad for business. If that’s true of Osho disneylant fuck the lot of you.
We already know this but always have to make exceptions. This game was charming but I am getting sick of it. I fear the spiritual domain is afraid the Osho circle is going to fade away. That’ their own fault for making it such a commercial venture. They want a sacrifice from outside free of charge to fix their business. Please, spare me. The price of admission is a total lobotomy.
I think that it is obvious I am not the right person here, and can’t establish any line of communication with sannyasins. So at that point leave me alone.
I think that the predatory attacks on outside intellectuals to rescue the situation is completely wrong in principle. And it is a good way to completely waste someone who has built up over many lives somekind of spiritual core. To simply rip that off to make a fake buddha figurehead is a really scary. Dead gurus are monsters. I can’t help here. People simply don’t relate to me at all. So that’s that.
The post on ‘will’ and its study is too remote for most here: but, make no mistake, those who learn the hard way that ‘surrender’ is dangerous are ignored by the groupies near the guru who have to look plusplus in public and are left alone with shallow ‘surrender’.
A whole new game is needed. Surrender is a road to disaster.
One of the ironies of the new age movement is the way it cripples thought with its surreptitious anti-modernism, its anti-democratic conspiracy to control ‘will’ via surrender, which finally makes consciousness mechanical in its manner of guru/ashram marashalling of people. A contradiction: then consciousness leads away from these tinpot dictators.
Breaking out of the ‘new age’ movement can be an excellent re-start to the ‘path of enlightenment’ which can start (no other choice) with its mirror image, the path of will: movement through history with or without an aim, project, or goal.
The archaic gurus here wish to destroy autonomy and replace that with zombie discipleship. There most disciples just disappear in the feasts of these cannibals, guru, or, worse, sufi. The archaic buddhism devolution into fascism becomes a thing of the past, whatever its remaining threat to modernity.
I can’t exempt the Osho Commune here, and there are obvious indications of its remaining ties to the spirituality of the past. My Osho project was a ‘serious joke’ designed to ensnare me in the Osho field in a sacrifice of autonomy. Osho didn’t much like me, so much for the project.
The modern world has shown few signs of comprehending antiquity and its religions, but it is not antagonistic one way or the other. The attempts to create a narrow secularism based on scientism will fail, but the many efforts to fight the modern age with reactionary restorations is going to fail, has failed already.
The path of surrender is degenerate and in fact actually dangerous to the real seeker. The fascist realm of archaic buddhism, sufism, gurdjieffianity, is a failing beast, close to dying forever.
The realm of gurdjieff is especially dangerous because it is a trap to create slaves of the ‘work’ who lose their autonomy, spiritual freedom, and become pawns in the mindset of medieval islam and its strange cast of thought. Say goodbye to all that asap. We have heard enough of the Idries Shah advertising for the oulala ultra conscious sufism. I have yet to see an exemplar. In the nonce I was always marked for murder for ideas of freedom.
Don’t be afraid of these gurus and sheiks. Spit in their faces: they may try to kill you or enslave your will, but as the game enters consciousness it fails for them: it must be a dark manipulation of ‘orcs’ by the ‘dark lords’. These assumes you have never ‘surrendered’ that analog to the billion year contract of Ron Hubbard. If so you must fight your way out of slavery. Chances are the gurus do not grasp the method of real slavery in the unconscious. If you have been caught, the escape comes slowly through the repair of your autonomy.
The victims of Gurdjieff are especially pathetic. Gurdjieff made it plain: you will be tortured until you willingly agree to be a slave. Make you way from this demon forthwith, and be suspicion figures like Osho became intrigued by Gurdjieff and may start to ape his logic.
Even poor modernity is a better field for a ‘new buddhism’ than the old. It is time to create a new path to consciousness and enlightenment for a new era beyond the Axial Age.
I have to force a ‘goodbye’ to my failed Osho project. I feel like I am constantly returned to this even though I can’t do anything further.
One problem is the ‘master game’ applied to trying to get free from masters. A communist project requires an entire recreation of the guru/teaching game.
Osho discussed the issue of ‘masters’ and ‘teachers’, citing Gurdjieff. From the last few years (mostly wasted) I have realized that Osho was set on some kind of similar action in the ‘master game’ genre, and the ‘dictatorship of the buddhas’.
Osho doesn’t respect the individual’s freedom, and I think that the shallow appeal of ‘communism’ is the context of neo-authoritarian system.
Perhaps I am wrong, but in case you are completely sick of me (speaking to sannyasins) I have tried to walk away, in vain. But now I have to make it stick.
It is pointless to keep harassing me with the master bullshit syndrome if I can’t even have a relationship to the commune. In any case, it should have been obvious that a commercial venture can’t work as a radical form of neo-buddhist radicalism.
I leave it there: could some sannyasins take a hint and pick up from where I left off? It seems the invisible realms of these ‘masters’ and dead buddhas are desperate. They need someone with my talents to do a fix on the rapidly sinking Osho project/commune.
Review some of my points and consider what to do.
But to me the master game is ugly and the ‘dictatorship of the buddhas’ is not a realistic project.
I have to be done with masters.
Over and out….
It is time for the New Age Movement to enter the modern world and start over on the issues of buddhism, yoga, monotheism (Xtianity, Islam), and gurus.
It is helpful to declare your exit from the ‘New Age’ movement: a funny thing happens, all the concealed/tacit conventions of ancient spirituality are suddenly void. A good example is the term ‘new age’ itself. That new age is phony: it really means the modern new age is a monster and the revival of ancient culture will solve the problem. It is not true and won’t happen.
Once you declare something as simple as that you are outside the whole crypto-fascist reactionary anti-modern obsession of religious traditionalists.
I think that the question of gurus is about to slide into oblivion. There was a concealed fantasy among reactionaries that if submission/surrender to gurus could be concealed behind ‘yoga comeons’ the modern mind could be manipulated to move backwards. That inananity is now sliding over the falls, gone.
We need a new form of ‘new age’ activity that isn’t dependent on gurus, and turned into the exercise of the student’s autonomy.
There are a lot of issues here, but I think that all these groups have to start over and consider the implications of modernity. In the short term most of this stuff is going to die of commercial overdosing.
People are so shocked at the critique of Gurdjieff here. But that, to me, is naivete. The surface makes sense, self-remembering as a mindfulness movement of the early twentieth century. But Gurdjieff exposed himself as a devil, and Ouspensky had taken note, years before. I think that seekers in the clutches of this devil have a problem, and they need to solve it by moving on. No use waking up in a future life trying to figure out if you are enslaved by a demon guru in a previous life. All the former students of Gurdjieff will be lucky is they even ever realize what happened to them. If you have approached the Work zone, but are still a faceless person in a crowd you still have time to slip away. Do it. Your future as a peculiar Faust here is limited to ‘slave’ and ‘total surrender’ Meher Baba spoke in terms of killing people if the guru orders it. That’s naive. Mere murder. The path of a total devil is far worse than that. And many have begun to wonder if any of this, not necessarily from Gjeff, was the way the Nazi movement came about. It is hard to avoid the suspicion that occult demonology was at work here, people like Gjeff being on the fringes, but sudden aware of the awful truth of what was happening. In a coming age we will have to find out the truth of that. But first you must never surrender you will to such demons.
Update: I have started to sound like a guru myself. I am not a spiritual teacher, and the advice to work alone is probably bad advice.
Try it, however, in small doses…
Reading Kornfield’s bio was a shock: I am so far behind in the schedule of path-stuff it is almost frightening. But I have always had a strange derailment for a path, and the result done alone has shown me that the real path is done alone, beyond isms, buddhisms, sufisms, etc… But just at that point the ‘path’ comes into question, and all is lost. You suddenly realize the odds are against you, and that you need to stay organized and alert to the reciprocal to group conformity: lone wolf self-disorganization. Everything seems to become a problem. In a group meditating with a straight spine is enforced. Alone you may not even know it is an issue, and spend half you time having done this and that wrong. These examples are almost trivial. The real struggle is for the meaning of cliches, like the path to enlightenment. You must find out alone, the words are a mental block.
But alone you have one ace. The question of will comes to the fore: the will to meditate at a particular time in a scheduled movement is a given, no will at all. Alone it can take endless time to get to starting, let alone finishing. What is the difference between will and ego? In reality any gesture of what you call ‘will’ is ego, the real ‘will’ is deeply hidden.
But the work of the ego/will is not so hard: the real issues of will alone are tabled from the start, and wipeout isn’t far behind. It is not the demon Mara here, wouldn’t it be nice to identify the enemy, but the sudden failure of will and the unconscious invultuation of will in the deep unconscious. It is nameless, and it is of no use to name it. The tale of Mara in buddhism is too stylized to be useful, except in a general way, as a vital reminder of something, now turned into epic saga, Gautama had to deal with. Alone, it is not hard to find that thicket of the deep dark woods. The scandal is to find, not devils, but hidden sufis or gurus or spirits of such, preying on the meditator. These ghosts are not far off, and they prey on the will as ‘food’?? Gurtdjieff had a mysterious phrase: the trogoautoegocrat. I have no idea what he meant by that, but the translation (modern greek?) is, ‘I eat autoegocrats’. I fear to think that means you acts of will become ‘food’ in the thwarting. That explains devils very well, and the reality of such for a scientific age is to be found in the willing. Alone, with no group reinforcement. The gurus won’t be there to help.
I think this shows groups so exposed to be thuswise endorsed. Heroic tales of buddhas beating demons like Mara are misleading. 9 out of ten will be defeated. You don’t have anything to really prevent the seizure of the unconscious. I think that group activity all at once becomes essential: students must approach this issue over lives, it seems. But in the end of the ‘group will’ of a religious org is not will at all. It is a strange situation: will is the problem, yet without will, to start, you are a goner.
I know what you are thinking, this bloke needs help. But in approaching groups I find that being alone persists, in my case it makes no difference. In any case, I can see group work is vital. But don’t confuse the will to meditate in a group with the will to meditate alone, in a forest or a city. or Penn station. The latter in the post on this, scroll down, was not heroic meditation, although in an irony that entered there, but a loss of will in a fringe social context.
We have talked of the ‘paths of will’ and the ‘paths of being’. But the two can never be separated. If you wish to ‘give up will on the road to being’ a dozen demons will jump to eager to help out. Moral without will you will go berserk. No use calling it buddhism. The will is the great mystery of human consciousness, and ironically a buddhist path might find it by giving it up.
Perhaps in the next age the two paths will be taken up in a single new form of religion, sadhana.
Anyway, find asap a place of refuge and group action, remaining slightly nervous about the real path, someday, found alone.
I don’t wish to harass my Kornfield, and I would be glad if the harassment toward me would stop. Jewish occultists are a problem for gentiles in the new age movement. Over and out.
Learn the lesson here: you are alone and will not receive help in this new age situations where psychopaths reign, jewish, Xtian, Moslem/sufi.
My tactic with Kornfield unexpectedly worked: the mindfuck has stopped for the nonce, these people don’t dare tangle with celebrities. It’s the little guy they are after, or else, as here, the RB OUspensky figure. I can’t presume on Mr. Kornfield at this point. He could go insane without much effort from Gold et al.
I hope Kornfield might learn that people blessed with simple and successful ‘spiritual’ paths may end up with nothing, and be unaware of the sufferings of the victims.
With buddhas, surrender is ????
with sufi devils like G it means your will is frozen and operated from without. Torture until you ‘surrender’ into being a demon to run task for the ‘guru’ seems the gist there. It’s never enough.
Stay away from the Gurdjieff pit. I can’t keep warning you forever. It is never a duty to surrender to evil to do errands for devils like Beelzebub. How much they had to torture Gurdjieff to become a devil, I don’t know.
Nothing from Mr. Kornfield. That’s to be expected. Such celebrities can’t see the dark side of the New Age movement, and its victims. Poor and misinformed they make ample victims of the emerging cannibal elite. But I have made my point. And I wouldn’t recommend tangling with someone like Mr. Gold. I have a suspicion in his way of eating seekers for breakfast he is worse to jews I bet than to gentiles.
We are in a world where the crumbling ‘magic circle’ of Xtianity is leaving an immense group of people vulnerable.
I can’t dwell on Mr. Kornfield here and have made my point. If you shout in public sufi predators will pause.
The case of Kornfield: Look at this New Age (jewish) dream sadhana.The year is 2015 and I still haven’t been to India, found a guru, and a graduate of (jewish) New Age predators, with little chance even making the information public. I don’t care about that because this is a tortoise and hare story and the last and first shuffle suddenly takes over.
Given the evidence here the public won’t quite realize the exploitation emerging in jewish dark sectors. It would help if someone jewish could investigate the world of people like Gold, in the process of ripping the bad enough Gurdjieff work. Needs jewish control, eh…
I don’t wish to pursue anymore of the seeming ‘antisemitism’ in quotes that has appeared on this blog, I don’t need to. Jews are their own worst punishment. But we are at the point where a line of new agers (too many jews) are going to see how Gold et al. can get away with murder. WE have shouted the problem out loud for six years here. With no result. Be forewarned. At that point, if true, the worst form of antisemitism will revive. However, the tactics of selective victimization, with pampered disciples in the public face of an ‘ashram’ conceals the reality.
I think this blog is mission accomplished. The Gurdjieff entity, I am hearing, wishes to terminate or at least debrief the ‘work’. The attempt at undermining the modern world via antique teachings is over, a failure.
So the issue here isn’t the question of jews.
The basic point: ‘gurus’ of any stripe don’t have the right to kill disciples. Since that is not clear to guru chauvinists we begin to move beyond this new age movement. Next the world of Aleister Crowley is going to make ‘sacrifice’ a deadly reality of the world of gurus and sheiks. Time to blow the whistle and move past the new age movement. Real seekers do better alone.
Fuck you again, Mr. Kornfield. Like Spartans with their one dead helot apiece, maybe ‘sacrifice’ will be the new (jewish) bar mitzvah.
Everyone else be wary of the illusory world of gurus. Let’s be clear that dark figures like Gurdjieff are the source of this. They gambled they would get away with it, but that’s not the case.
The phony age of the Crowley dark side has arrived.
In any case the point is clear: NEVER do ‘surrender’ games with gurus of any stripe. Period.
You are completely alone on the ‘Path’. And don’t forget it. As pointed out here: the one safe place is in the company of a guru figure. Once you are out in the field, after brief contact, you become open to the concealed black magic at a distance.
(Ironically, we have had a constant connection to the Hinayana world here via the comments of people like NK).
The question of mathematics and reality hasn’t been solved and I think that the question was always a semi-Platonic issue of the ‘ideas’, no less.